My First Interview…Let’s Rant #25 — A MGTOW Interview

I just finished a recording where I cover some of the topics that I thought needed some additional coverage in an audio post and that I either felt I didn’t address properly or I missed/didn’t think to mention during this interview

I had to do some meditation on this interview after the fact, and once I post up My Thoughts on The Ranthony Interview, you’ll notice that I mention asking. That asking is me asking a question putting it out to the universe and getting the answer that I got. When I do this, or when anyone does this I always keep in mind that the answer I get is the answer I get. I’ll admit that in many cases the answer I get back via this meditation process isn’t always pleasant. In many cases, it’s like having to take yet another Red Pill. The information gained from such a process has always been enlightening about the issue or me in some form or another.

This is what I came up with

Angry MGTOW

Angry MGTOW

Straight up Angry MGTOW’s content never really appealed to me. That’s not to mean that I disliked or hated the guy, what I mean is that for me personally his content just wasn’t where I’m at in my life. Not only that his presentation and voice made it really hard for me to sit and watch his videos for more than a few minutes.

And then there’s his actual content

Seriously? Blaire White and ShoeOnHead Feminists? That must either be intentional click bait, or Angry MGTOW isn’t in touch with reality. What I also noticed is that anyone, and I do mean anyone that needed proof that all MGTOW were unhinged, Angry MGTOW was the go-to guy. Occasionally you’d see someone try and twist Sandman’s content around, usually that required cherry picking to make it happen.

I was asked what I was going to do about Angry MGTOW. And what was I going to do about Angry MGTOW? After my meditation, I came up with the answer of, Nothing!

Now that may sound unsatisfactory to the critics of MGTOW, allow me to explain. First of all, I’m responsible for myself and my own actions. I don’t subscribe to him, watch him or endorse him in any way. He occasionally, and do mean occasionally comes up with a compelling point, you have to sift through a lot of content to find it. I Haven’t got the time or inclination to do that. So in my case, my conscience is quite clear

Second MGTOW isn’t an organization like The Borg

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MGTOW is a collection of men going along on an individual path. Yes, there are factions inside MGTOW, and some are insane some are quite sane. Beyond the principal of anti gynocentrism and a marriage strike there are few things that all MGTOW will agree on. Therefore it’s impractical and almost impossible for me or any other MGTOW on YouTube to do anything beyond saying that they limit their association with Angry MGTOW. Here’s the ultimate crux of the problem even if Angry MGTOW were to go away (Die, Stop making videos, Quit, Disappear, etc. )  There would simply be another guy like Angry MGTOW that would step into his place. So whether you like him or not he’s here! And there is a faction inside MGTOW that his rhetoric appeals to. I personally don’t associate with him, and that’s really all anyone can do.

What can be done? The MGTOW that have been through the Red Pill Rage and come out the other side. There’s a need for us to be there to help the increasing number of men that are taking the Red Pill themselves and help them through the Purple Pill phase as best we can. Some will get stuck in the Red Pill Rage, and there’s very little I or anyone else can do if a man decides to stay there. Setting this up and encouraging this will require fortitude, there are entirely too many men out there that feel that any kind of emotional expression will make him a crybaby and will treat any other man around them that does so in a harsh manner. None the less I think this needs to be done.

The Comparison to Feminism

Answering this one was pretty easy for me.

It got pointed out to me that the structure of MGTOW is very similar to the structure of Feminism. In structure MGTOW, and Feminism looks the same. The answer here is in actions, A herd of Antelope and a herd of Elephants are both herds. These mammals though are two separate species they may both socialize in herds, but they act differently. This is where the argument that MGTOW is like Feminism falls apart. Yes, a herd is a herd, but herds of different animals act and behave differently despite the fact they both herd together. MGTOW actions have in very few even come close to the actions of what Feminists have done. The extreme factions are always mentioned, the extreme though isn’t the norm, unlike Feminism the extreme factions are not the ones dictating the herd.

I will admit that this comparison has caused me to re-evaluate feminism. It’s become even more clear to me now that Feminism not only won’t clean up its house, but they can’t. For them to do so would require a conscious, consistent long-term effort. It would also require the majority of feminism to actively support or jump on board with such an effort for it to work. Given the current situation that feminism is in at the moment, such an effort is very unlikely. What’s more like, and when I mean more I mean 99% likely to happen. Is that feminism will have to self-destruct and then need to rebuild itself from the ashes. By that time the whole concept of the role of women in society and what’s going on with them will probably be very different from what it is now.

This also serves as a warning to MGTOW and also to the MRM! We as a group cannot allow ourselves to fall into the same trap that feminism is now in. It’s critical that manosphere be about healing and rebuilding of men and not about revenge. It’s also clear from this interview that like Feminism both MGTOW and The MRM will likely also reach a period of redundancy in the west, assuming, of course, humanity doesn’t destroy itself.

Wasps and Bees also have a similar structure, and everyone agrees they’re not the same species, same situation here.

Blue Pill Alphas

If you go into the comments section of the Ranthony video, you’ll find a prime example of blue pill alpha. These are men that are doing well according to the selections that they’re aware. These men would be considered winners by societies standards today. They’ve played the game, played it well and in some rare cases are even thriving.

I reblogged this from The Rational Male, and it explains these guys better than I can here. Suffice to say though in the case of the guy I was dealing with he had a major dependence on external versus internal validation.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/blue-pill-alphas-the-rational-male/

I’d have to say at this point in time, these men are as big a threat, if not bigger than anything Feminism can throw at MGTOW at the moment. I did another blog recently about how Feminism is clearly starting to hit the ditch. They simply don’t have the resources either financially or culturally at this time to go into a full-on assault against MGTOW. Blue Pill Males and in particular Blue Pill Alphas do though. There is a basis for them doing so too. Imagine you’ve spent most of your life playing the game, fighting to get to the top of the heap, only to discover that not only was it not the top, but there were MGTOW able to ascend those heights that someone like Mr. Blue Pill Male could only dream of WITHOUT the brutal struggle. That’s not to say that the voyage for MGTOW is easy, the end of the process though delivers freedom that no Blue Piller, Not even a President, Prime Minister or King can have. This invalidates their whole struggle, this also explains why MGTOW have a tendency to want to hide their faces. Our process and struggle is very frightening to a blue pill alpha. Someone like the one I dealt with has to insult someone like me because it’s only in invalidating my effort that he can maintain his effort.

This anger and fear will grow as MGTOW continues to get larger and the effects start to have a real effect on the system as a whole. Specifically, in inoculating men against Gynocentrism these men will be compelled to do more than laughing at us and insulting us, THAT will be when the real fight begins. These men have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are, MGTOW are once they’ve completed the Red Pill Rage above and beyond that model.

This is where staying under the radar helps. At some point, there will be a face or two put on MGTOW until then though remaining a faceless mist is the best approach to people like this. That doesn’t mean I’m going to lie down and allow some ignorant fuck to step on my toes. I’ve worked hard to get past my personal red pill rage but also to self-actualize and self-validate.

Until then no Blue Pill asshole will tell me what I do with my life.

So in review, I’d say this interview was passable, Sandman does a much better job selling MGTOW than I can. I wasn’t seeking to convert anyone that’s not my style, my style is telling people what MGTOW has done for me. That’s really all that I can do

 

My feminist views have been questioned recently.

You don’t encounter honesty like this very often, especially on Tumblr. I haven’t gone through her entire content, so take what she says with a grain of salt. What I can say though is that I’m starting to see more of this crop up in the last few months. Her point here is very clear Women as a group do need to do some growing up.  There are exceptions of course but as a group absolutely

Naturally, there are exceptions this article isn’t about the exceptions.

You Must Accept One Simple (And Hard) Fact

A guy posted this up on The Red Pill Nation group on Facebook. I thought it was pretty profound and I encourage anyone who’s MGTOW or considering going that route to read what this guy posted.

Here it is in an edited for grammar form, Written by IceHeart Phoenix  January 3, 2017

I’ve been MGTOW for a few months now and in that time I’ve come to realize something. Before you can accept the MGTOW path and truly begin your solo journey of self-discovery you must accept one simple (yet hard) fact. And that is…
You are irrelevant!
(Like I said, it’s simple yet hard to grasp and accept.)
With or without you, society moves on. With or without you, women still have about a 100 blue-pillers at their beck and call to serve at their every whim. With or without you, women still remain to be same as they’ve always been. Women don’t need you they don’t miss you are just a ghost that was at the fringes of her mind and soon as you woke up and took the red pill, ten other blue-pillers took your place, and you ceased to exist to her! You are irrelevant, Unknown! While you were present, your presence was ignored, and now that you’re gone, your absence is barely noticed.
(Harsh, I know. But part of being a red-piller is being able to accept the harsh truth for what it is.)
I see a lot of posts in this and other MGTOW groups from some of my MGTOW brothers, and the thought I read behind them is something along the lines of…
“I’m gone now, Take that bitches.”
Sometimes they make me laugh, at others, they make me arch an eyebrow, and at others it just makes me shake my head sadly. Because the sad truth is No, they are not taking anything. They never cared for you to begin with they are certainly not going to start caring now that you’re gone. The minute you walked away, they did too, on to the next blue-piller they could manipulate into doing their bidding.
I guess for some it’s a way of trying to work through the feelings of rejection or trying to validate yourself by trying to convince yourself that you matter to them, but the simple (yet once again hard) fact of the matter is that, YOU DON’T!
I’m not saying any of this to be mean or derisive to anyone, I have no quarrel with anyone, to begin with. And to be honest, I had a hard time accepting this fact myself. I just believe that the easiest way to move on and truly start your journey is to just stop being hung up on them.
Stop obsessively pointing out their errors, Stop trying to find examples of instances where they’ve blundered or suffered some form of misery. Stop trying to validate yourself via (click-bait) posts on the net of their drama and issues. Because while you are still doing all that, you are still lost and trapped in their net and web of well-fabricated lies.
The only way to truly win this fight is to simply not fight all together!
(Now, I’m fully and perfectly aware that one of the central tenets of MGTOW is that “you can’t define what MGTOW is for any other man apart from yourself.” So no, I’m not trying to define how to be MGTOW to anyone. I’m just sharing my two cents of something that’s been boggling my mind for quite a while now)

This is the link to my Facebook Group
https://www.facebook.com/groups/948299015199478/

My YouTube Channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCop0fVCifgnfCiUiNpLE8Jw

A Review of My Guesses for 2016

It’s the start of the New Year again! That means that it’s time for me to speculate on what might happen in 2017. I was more than a little surprised at how accurate I was for 2015. As I’m writing this, I have no idea how well I did for 2016.

So before I begin for 2017 let’s do a review on how well (or poorly) I did for 2016 this was the blog in question

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/my-predictions-for-2016/

1. A Politicizing of the gender issue

I have to admit this one was an absolute no-brainer. After all, it was an election year. By July Feminism was openly hemorrhaging badly. Had this election not come along Feminism would likely be a severely wounded and bleeding entity. Not that it wasn’t a terrible year for Feminism anyway

https://ageofshitlords.com/feminists-didnt-stand-a-chance-in-2016/

This article doesn’t include Gregory Alan Elliot winning his trial. The Idiotic doubling down by Feminists when Jian Ghomeshi was found innocent. Or how bad Feminists looked when they made blatant attempts to prevent the screening of Cassie Jaye’s documentary on the Men’s Right Movement called Take The Red Pill

Suffice to say I’m gonna count this one as DING!

2. Open calls for arrests and harassment of MRA/MGTOW/Red Pill

I hadn’t even finished the blog when there was an open call for the arrest of Milos Yiannapoulos on a morning talk show

Oddly enough when I wrote this I was thinking it was going to be one of the groups mentioned above, man, was I ever in for a surprise. While it did happen anyway via the open call to disrupt an event that Roosh V was going to put on.

http://www.rooshv.com/announcement-the-meetup-on-february-6-is-cancelled

Most of the violence came out either against Milos Yiannapoulos Dangerous Faggot Tour or During Trump Rallies. Men’s Rights and Red Pill ended up fading into the background during the fall

This video doesn’t include Trigglypuff or what happened at DePaul or UC Irvine.

Then we got what happened at Donald Trump political rallies

Gonna give myself a tentative ding on this one. It did happen but not to the people I thought it was going to.

3. Gregory Alan Elliot not guilty

HUGE ding on this one, again not a surprise here. I also have aired an opinion that a group within Twitter may in all likelihood were going to try and use a guilty verdict to come down hard on people like us. What they ended up doing is burning themselves out early with little to no real impact

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/twitter-harassment-trial-verdict-1.3415112

DING!

4. An ever increasing number of attacks by feminists on the GMM (Greater Men’s Movement)

They came out breathing fire at the start of 2016, especially on Twitter. I’m going to bring up a quote from that blog I wrote there

I see feminists becoming very quiet after that. After all, this was their only remaining shot at taking back the initiative they lost back in 2013. When they do come out of the castle again, it’ll get a whole lot nastier. Even more, than it is at the moment.

All that effort and all they managed to do were shut down a couple of pages on Facebook, Halt an Event done by Roosh V and stop a few screenings of Cassie Jaye’s movie. A very pitiful payout for what may have been an outright conspiracy.

Other than the harassment of Cassie Jaye’s movie after July it got pretty quiet it happened enough though that once again DING!

5. Feminism drops the ball on an issue, possibly even more than once

They didn’t even get out of the first day without dropping the ball huge! Look no further than Cologne on New Years Day!

In fact, there were so many of them that when Age of Shitlords did their article, even they had to omit some things

https://ageofshitlords.com/feminists-didnt-stand-a-chance-in-2016/

What the hell can I say here? DING!

6. The Beast that is MGTOW starts to emerge in full force. 

Became official sometime in the late summer or early fall when MGTOW.com first surpassed A Voice for Men and then blew past We Hunted the Mammoth just a few weeks later.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/09/07/mgtow-on-the-verge-of-arrival/

Yes folks MGTOW is here and is likely here for good unless the rules around a few things change drastically, specifically around marriage.

DING! Six for Six so far!

7. Women start taking the Red Pill!

This one was little bit riskier there are already some women that have swallowed the Red Pill, take this woman for instance

https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/

But it wasn’t until September that I started noticing a trend. It started one night at work when I listened to a video from Story Time With Doge

I went in and did some digging on YouTube what I found was an eye opener! I looked up “Not a Feminist” or “I’m an Anti-Feminist” this is what I came up with

45 of the 53 videos on this list are in the last two years. THIRTY SEVEN of them are in 2016. If that’s not solid proof that Feminists are losing their ability to dictate what women say then nothing else will

I will be doing a blog and/or a video on this topic soon because it deserves it’s own mention all by itself.

Another DING!

8. Threats and Arrests of Men’s Activists

I covered this in number 2, So I may have repeated myself this one though was aimed directly at MRA’s. The activity shifted over to the Dangerous Faggot Tour and Donald Trump and not MRA’s. Therefore I have to give this guess a good solid BUMP!

Roosh V doesn’t count because he’s not an MRA

Damn can’t win them all now, can I?

9. Convention in London this June MUST happen!  

It did happen, and it went off with just one hitch the AVFM page on Facebook was taken down.

https://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/facebook-removes-avfms-page/

Other than this one small hitch ICMI 16 went off quietly without so much as a whimper from any Feminist. Why this happened, and why it went down so quietly as opposed to what happened in Michigan in 2014 can be speculated on somewhere else.

Gonna give myself a solid DING on this one!

10. Another Men’s Rights Group Emerges.

Didn’t happen! What did happen though was MGTOW got a whole lot bigger than it was a year ago. There was also a slow and gradual turning away from Feminism and Regressives in General as things like the Dangerous Faggot Tour and The Donald Trump presidential campaign diverted the attention away from the MRM.

BONK

11. Other media sites start becoming sympathetic to men’s issues.

Not as much I thought! When Cassie Jaye’s movie came out, and the censorship bandwagon started up the publicity became better. Otherwise, I didn’t see much change at all. What I did see was an increase in the rhetoric and lying from the other side.

Very tentatively gonna give myself a ding here and a bow of the head to Cassie Jaye

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12. Dissention inside feminism.

I didn’t personally see anything. A quick google search turned up nothing as well. I suspect that this might’ve happened because of the need for Feminists to unite against Donald Trump. They were not nearly so focused on the Manosphere this year.

BONK! I underestimated the amount of bile and desperation within Feminism and The Regressive crowd in general.

13. Casualties inside the GMM

I didn’t see anyone walk away and quit! So casualties didn’t happen. Some people shifted their focus or expanded their activities to fighting regressives as opposed to simply staying inside the Manosphere. I have become much more vocal about being MGTOW.

Bonk here! But this is because of a shift in priorities inside society not because anyone got tired and quit.

14. Divorce, Child Custody, and Alimony issue grind slowly back in men’s favor

January 2nd is far too early to see any stats on 2016 anywhere. From what I saw though the trend does appear to be grinding it’s way to a more balanced system. Grind being the main word here because them wheels are moving damn slow.

DING!

10 of 14 were right in one form or another! Not bad when you consider that I’m in no way a psychic, mathematician, remote viewer or any way a practitioner of any kind of future prediction methods, be they scientific or esoteric.

I’m clearly guilty of underestimating Donald Trump not so much because I didn’t think he would win because I always thought that it was possible. What I didn’t see was the profound cultural impact his campaign and election, would have here in North America. In fact, last night while I was writing this I had to listen to one future predictor rant on against Donald Trump constantly as opposed to giving predictions.

2016 was indeed ‘Game the Fuck On’ so to speak. I see what happened with the 2016 Presidential Election especially after Donald Trump won as acts of Desperation. Especially the riots in various places after he won. Those riots were in my opinion about as ‘spontaneous’ as the sun rising in the morning.

On a personal level 2016 was the most difficult and trying year I’ve had as an adult apparantly I wasn’t the only one who had this happen to them though. What will happen in 2017? Well that’s another blog for later this week, so keep watching

So Gays can get married now. And that’s my problem as an MRA/MGTOW because?

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I’ve seen a few things at various MRA and MGTOW sites. Men usually social conservatives getting all pissed about the fact that gay people can now marry. I haven’t seen this many men jump ship from the greater men’s movement at any point that I’ve been involved.

Got some news for folks like you I’m not and never have been a conservative, I’ve especially never been a social conservative. In fact it was, the actions of Atheism+ that got me involved with the men’s rights movement in the first place. I had my run in with Bernard Chapin, I had more than a few conservatives block, or start screaming at me for having the audacity to admitting to being a ‘gasp’ LIBERAL!!!

OK granted I’m more of a center/left guy with a Libertarian streak running in me. But try explaining that, so some of the people that I’ve come across and you’d have thought I was responsible for every single thing wrong in western society. This brings me to what happened with this whole gay marriage issue.

I’m not gay, never have been and where I grew up I had to learn to adjust emotionally before I became comfortable with homosexuals. The person who helped me work this out said just one line that changed my whole view on this issue. And trust me he wasn’t polite about it either this guy said.

“You know you’re not gay, you’re not going to sleep with them so what does it matter to you what they do?”

So seriously are you going to lose any sleep because gays are going to be able to get married now? Are there going to be people randomly morphing into homosexuals on the street from now on?

On a scale of yes or no do gays getting married have any real impact on your day to day life?

Go ahead feel free to answer any of those questions for me. For the religious and social conservatives out there that have been screaming at the MRM and MGTOW because for some odd reason we’re not getting worked up about this. I have some news for you the Men’s Rights Movement isn’t and never has been a branch of your world. Yes, Radical Feminists, Social Justice Warriors, and White Knights are far left fundies as dangerous and dogmatic as even the most ardent Fundamentalist Christians. And, as a result, the Greater Men’s Movement has a conservative base, especially at the beginning. But it was never your baby I nor any other MRA out there has an obligation to support you in your ahem ‘jihad’ against homosexuals at the moment.

In fact, for the love of god, deal with it already! And this by the is coming from an Atheist!

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Now for the MGTOW out there jumping ship over this, I got a question for you?

Why the FUCK should a movement whose central tenet is boycotting marriage even care about a marriage issue in the first place?

Seriously homosexuals can get married, and that’s my problem as a MGTOW because? Because it goes against Gods law? You remember seeing that part about me being an atheist earlier right? Because it isn’t natural? It’s naturally none of my business is what it is. And quite frankly the MGTOW I’ve have been jumping ship and insulting the other MGTOW over this issue. I happen to think you’re some of the most stupid idiots I’ve encountered. Seriously you remember that part about boycotting marriage right?

Say what you want to about gay men, yeah maybe there are gay men in the movement trolling. That’s not my problem it’s yours.

Have you ever stopped to consider that there might be gay dads out there that are getting shafted over by their ex? I’d lay good money that they’re out there. How about men that are not white? It’s happening to them as well. And I’ve seen more than my fair share of racism and anti-Semitism on MRA and MGTOW sites. Yeah, these men are getting hit hard too it’s not just the WASPS.

I’m going to get some angry blowback over this, and you know what I don’t care. I frequently go after feminists for not holding Misandrists and Feminazis feet to the fire. So for me to let something like this slide and not saying anything would make me a hypocrite.

Gays can get married now deal with it, and I’m not a tool for your personal agenda from the right or the left. And if that makes you mad and causes you to leave?

Don’t let the door hit your rear on the way out.

And one last thing here as I write this down there’s a Rainbow at the top of the page.