A Response to a Tradcon

I first read this article late in 2017!

The Red Pill Movement (MGTOW): Men Waking Up as Loners

It’s not very often that I’ll do a response to someone who’s Anti-MGTOW because in all honesty unless the person is Red Pilled they either can’t or won’t be able to grasp the points of MGTOW or the Red Pill even if you say it to right to their face. You’re either awake, (not woke I’m not going anywhere near that SJW term) or not. There’s not really any transition between the two.

But Lee Woofenden you easily wrote one of the most insulting, ignorant and self-righteous blogs about MGTOW that I’ve come across. You pretty it up and there are some points for consideration in there. The only problem is ASSHOLE is that you spiced those points with shame and a tone that only a religious bigot could accomplish.

So here’s what I’m going to do. I’m going to tear down your article, but not in the way you might expect. You see your blog was so insulting that you don’t really even deserve to be proven wrong. What I’m going to do is talk to the crowd and to my fellow MGTOW and Red Pill men so they may best learn how to deal with someone like you in the future.

Not going over to your blog to reply to you there. You have a problem with me you take it to my comments. Just remember YOU chose to write what you wrote so if my language and opinions about what you wrote comes across as harsh or unforgiving well you can pray to your non-existent sky deity for guidance.

And Oh yes let’s just get this out of the way for starters I’m an Atheist and there is no God, no Lucifer either.

So let’s get started on this sanctimonious blather

The first couple of paragraphs are just intro we can ignore them. Doesn’t take this guy long to go off the rails.

“If you spend any time reading MGTOW websites and forums, you’ll find them populated largely by men who have had hellaciously bad experiences in their relationships with women, and who have decided to opt out. Some continue to have one-night stands with women or use the services of prostitutes in order to satisfy their sex drive. Others “go monk” and become celibate. In this community, men actually brag about being virgins.

Needless to say, PUAs despise MGTOW as Dorito-munching, mother’s-basement-dwelling losers who are sad and lonely because they could never get a girl. And MGTOW despise PUAs as preening, hormone-driven pretty boys whose whole life revolves around the women they despise.”

Well, imagine that folks, we as a group have had bad experiences with women. We have anger and toxic feelings to process. But somehow this stunned fucking idiot equates that with “We despise women”.

Right there we know this just doesn’t get it! Somehow this idiot doesn’t get that anger needs to be vented. Of course, because Lee here is such an epic cuck he views this as despising women. Apparently, this guy has had such a tranquil life that he doesn’t grasp that anger and pain need to be processed and vented in a safe place. You as a MGTOW going through the Red Pill Rage process are perfectly entitled to vent as much as you feel you need to. A man going through this process needs the time and space to process these feelings. To anyone third party reading this no I don’t especially care if you think those feelings are valid or not. There are MGTOW that are mentally ill or damaged beyond recovery, those men are not the ones you roll out as examples for all MGTOW. Something that Lee does later on in this blog. Now if they remain stuck there then you have a problem anger though once expressed tends to burn itself out pretty fast.

“And MGTOW as a group do despise women.

These Red Pill men have woken up, not so much as losers, but as loners.”

Anger tends to happen when your boundaries have been violated. Let me make this clear to you MGTOW brothers. Being angry at the women that have done whatever they did to you is a legitimate feeling. It doesn’t mean that you hate all women, yes you have had experiences that have caused you to feel the need to be extremely careful around them. And in some cases, you’d prefer to even avoid them as much as possible. That doesn’t equate to despising them no matter how much ignorant assholes like Lee say it does. Now you as healthy person can put that anger behind you and move on. What I’ve discovered about trauma recently is that you never really “Get over it” what really happens is that you process it, learn from it and move on. Now if that process requires you to say things in anger then so be it. That’s what the forums are there for. Something here that Lee either can’t or won’t get.

“Most of them had their brush with women, got burned—sometimes quite badly—and decided that it’s better not to play with fire.

And if a man wants to be single, that’s certainly his choice. There have been single men throughout the ages. Some of them have done great things.

Of course and you know what that’s my and your choice as a MGTOW to make.

The problem is not so much in their deciding to become single, but in their intense disdain for and even hatred of women, and in their blaming women for all of their problems as men.”

Seriously you have got to LOVE how trad-con assholes like this intentionally ignore the other issues that have nothing to do with women. If you’re like me and have gone through the Red Pill Rage then you know that women by themselves are not the problem. Women have always been women it’s the current culture and laws have taken the worst aspects of women and allowed them to flourish. Now it really beats the hell out of me how Lee here could be so damn thick that he didn’t figure this out but well what do you expect from this guy? And here’s the catcher we’re just a couple of paragraphs into this drivel. Of course, I already know Lee’s next argument “But there are men like this”

Yeah, Lee! Stick that Straw Man where the sun doesn’t shine!

“Once more, as with the first article in this series, “The Red Pill Movement (MRA): Men Waking Up as Victims,” and the second, “The Red Pill Movement (PUA): Men Waking Up as Animals,” we won’t spend time describing the MGTOW community. You can get the basic idea from Wikipedia’s MGTOW article.”

Actually the Wikipedia MGTOW article got slaughtered after it first came out. The Wikipedia article mentions manginas like Mack Lameroux as a source for MGTOW when in fact his total research for this article consisted of looking at some rather biased sources and a short interview with Walking Away Man. How do I know this? Because I INTERVIEWED the man in the VICE article myself. Here it is for you to enjoy

The MGTOW movement has also gone through some changes over the years since it first identified itself in the early 2000s. For the “old school” view, see the blog “NO MA’AM” (now apparently inactive) and the original “MGTOW Manifesto”—which lacks the later hostility against women and the “marriage strike” that characterizes much of the MGTOW community today. Today’s MGTOW community is represented on the blog and forums at MGTOW.com and in the MGTOW subreddit at Reddit.com.”

“For men in the MGTOW community, these websites are breezy island havens from a hostile, gynocentric, man-hating world. For people not in the MGTOW community, they commonly look more like festering swamps of misogynistic bigotry.”

MGTOW moved past the original founders a LONG time ago Lee. People like Barbarosa, Spetsnaz, Thinking Ape and few others moved it to the next level. This tends to happen to movements. What happened with NO MA’AM” is no longer all the relevant. But well as we go along we’ll see here that Lee has his ass shoved so far up religious trad-con dogmas ass that he’ll never see that

Refer back to the need for men to have the space to process their feelings. But well if people like Lee had their way we’d all be walking emotional bombs. I have to openly wonder how many people are alive now because men have this place as opposed to acting out or dying on the inside from anger. Seriously Lee fuck you for even trying to shame men like this.

AWALT?

“In fact, one of the core dogmas of the Red Pill movement generally, and MGTOW specifically, is represented by the acronym “AWALT.” Here’s how it is defined at the RationalWiki’s slightly satirical “Manosphere glossary” (which is worth reading for its entertainment value alone):”

Well, I don’t know about you but I’m not here for Lee’s entertainment. Anyone that’s been around for a while that Red Pill and MGTOW are no more synonymous than MGTOW and MRA. There is overlap that doesn’t mean that they’re the same thing. Clearly, Lee never went over to the Red Pill Subreddit because if he had he’d know that The Red Pill Subreddit has very little to do with MGTOW. In fact, based on personal experience there that subreddit is quite hostile to MGTOW. In fact, Lee if you had bothered you’d have noticed that the Red Pill Subreddit is more of a PUA site than a MGTOW affiliation. I stopped posting my content there because the amount of ignorant content about MGTOW was staggering.

But here’s the basic definition of the Red Pill for you.

AWALT

If you go into a MGTOW forum and say, “Not all women are like that!” (which has its own acronym: NAWALT), you will quickly be shouted down as an infidel and a heretic. AWALT is ex cathedra. It’s an established article of faith. You’re not allowed to question it.

And the MGTOW sites and forums are full of fervent testimonials to AWALT.

I don’t know about you but whenever I’ve used NAWALT at these sites I’ve never been angrily shouted down. I’m going to have to surmise that Lee here went all White Knight and used the same assinine condescending language at these sites that he used on his blog. Now if he’d done that there then yes absolutely you’ll get shouted down. Gotta point out here given what I’ve read so far that if I were a gambler I’d put money on that. Well, let’s just go back here. MGTOW especially the ones that have gone through the red pill rage, know that women aren’t the issue they’re a symptom. Just like how MGTOW is a reaction to this situation

See, for example, the article “Comments from Married Men” at MGTOW.com. It extracts comments from one of its forums on that subject, arranging them in nine sections that have no immediately discernible thematic organization. But the overall theme and message is crystal clear: DON’T BE AN IDIOT LOSER AND GET MARRIED!You’ll regret it every single day for the rest of your life!!!

You’ll regret it because the very second you slip the wedding ring onto her finger, your fun, intelligent, gorgeous, sex-loving soulmate will instantly transform into a fat, lazy, whining, nagging bitch who will never have sex with you again. The day after the wedding she will quit her job and flop down on the couch in front of the TV with a Dove Bar in each fist while simultaneously spending all of your money on plastic crap at Walmart and threatening to clean you out of everything you own if you don’t work 80 hours a week to feed her insatiable desire for clothing, shoes, jewelry, and a much bigger house than this hovel we live in.

Read ’em and weep!

Of course, it’s a self-selecting group. Men in happy marriages don’t go to MGTOW forums on the Internet and recount in lurid detail exactly how execrably atrocious their wife or ex-wife is.

But for those men who do have the misfortune of marrying a captivating young beauty who in the harsh light of the morning turns out to be a lazy, gold-digging harpy, the experience can be so traumatizing that when they see or think “woman,” that image of woman completely fills their field of vision. Nothing else exists.

And so they console one another: “AWALT, man!”

We already know that this can and does happen. Literally, every male I know and that I’ve discussed this with knows of at least one man that this is happening to. Lee here much like that idiot Brad Wilcox intentionally ignores this problem.

MGTOW.com Comments from Married Men isn’t a testimonial to all men everywhere that this is guaranteed to happen. But if you’re so thick to think that it can’t happen then well that’ll be on you not MGTOW. Lee here intentionally frames this is a section where bitter, angry men vent about their failures. Not what that section is supposed to be a road sign MGTOW

This is a warning, that this can happen. You can be the perfect husband and on a whim thanks to no-fault divorce you run a risk of having your entire life taken apart by a misandrist and corrupt family law system. Both Lee and Brad Wilcox intentionally ignore this. Which is why we as MGTOW need to intentionally ignore them. Need more proof this a link to Divorce Corp.

Now factor this in with what you’ll read at MGTOW.com and you’d have to at the absolute least think really hard about ever getting married in this current cultural climate.

 

Lee here then goes on to use ONE EXAMPLE and projects this as an example for all MGTOW

The fully realized MGHOW

Here is the abridged testimonial of a successful MGHOW from the above-linked article:

Thanks to going to bed at 5:30AM after a relaxing night of surfing the internet and watching porn, I slept in a little bit late this morning. It was actually the afternoon – 12:25PM to be exact – when I finally sat up in bed, yawning and scratching my big bachelor nuts. . . .

So, anyway, I’m up at half-twelve. I had a nice cigarette whilst checking my e-mails. Then I had a coffee and another cigarette whilst playing a bit of Soldier of Fortune II until I got bored of shooting virtual people’s virtual brains out. A nice big fry-up followed. Mmmm… sausages and bacon. . . . Come two o’clock and I’m down at the local supermarket. I bought some booze, hamburgers, potatoes, bacon and waffles. I also bought some pizza that, right at this moment in time, I’m currently stuffing into my mouth. Munch munch. I’m also currently watching Beavis & Butthead. I downloaded a few episodes via BitTorrent the other day. It’s not even six and I’m pleasantly drunk, eating pizza and watching some great comedy. What’s planned for this evening? I’ll probably have a nice relaxing bath and read Viz whilst I’m soaking in the tub. Then I’ll probably have a few more glasses of wine and watch some of the many South Park and The Simpsons episodes that are lying around the Hard Drives of my five computers. Also, I’ve just reinstalled Deus Ex and I’d like to play some of that too. Who knows what the future may bring? Whatever I want it to, that’s what.

Are we supposed to be impressed?

We’re not here to fucking impress you or your Trad-con stooges Lee! Don’t care if you’re impressed or not. Granted I personally think living this way is a waste of time. But well that’s his choice to make not yours. And there was a period like this for me, I thought it was time wasted until I got to where I was now. I now see that period in my life allowed me the time to figure out where I was going. Such a process cannot be forced they get there when they get there. And when MGTOW get on to the other side just remember that we’re still not required to kiss Lee’s ass. He, however, is quite welcome to kiss mine.

As I was reading through this rambling Paean to the Modern Neanderthal Man, it actually started to get funny. I started thinking: This is just too perfect! Maybe the joke’s on us. Maybe this was written as a satirical caricature of a MGHOW. Maybe it will end with the punch line, “Hello, my name is ____, and I’m a MGTOW loser. But at least I don’t have to deal with a nagging bitch of a wife!”

But no, he was serious. He ended with this:

If I was married I would probably be standing in a stupid department store right now, looking at my watch and tutting whilst the wife decides which dress she’s only going to wear once she wants to buy with my money! But I’m not married. I’m an eternal bachelor. To put it another way, I’m eternally happy and free.

“Eternally happy and free” to do what? Totally waste your life?

Yes, my subheading is satirical. I’m well aware that there have been and still are many single men who do great things with their lives. And I’m sure there are many decent and productive men in the MGTOW community.

But with “testimonials” like that, is it any wonder that MGTOW have gotten a reputation for being Dorito-munching, mom’s-basement-dwelling losers?

Again you take as much time as you need to figure out who and what you are. It’s not Lee’s place here to tell you what you need to do or what you should be. Remember men the laws and cultural climate are stacked against us. This is a call for us to return to the plantation and pick up the yoke. But seriously why the hell would we want to, where’s the payoff? I already know Lee would like to pull out some Jesus crap or that you get to live your life a productive person. I LIVE as a productive person. You decide or have decided what’s best for you. The image isn’t important because we all know that MGTOW is a reaction and this reaction includes a checking out component. This component is essential if you’re going to figure yourself out. Maybe you need to exist as a minimalist for a few years to get there. It’s not Lee’s call to make, and quite frankly I don’t give a damn what MGTOW’s image is. The current system does more to promote MGTOW than anything you’ll say against it.

Oh yeah, that’s right with assholes like you what I’m saying is just conspiracy theory right? Yeah well go watch the Red Pill Movie and get back to me. Still going to be MGTOW when you’re finished.

AWALT is no excuse for LOSER

Okay, “LOSER” isn’t really an acronym for anything in the Red Pill movement.

But many of these Red Pill men, including a disproportionate percentage of MGTOW, have come to the conclusion that their life sucks and that it’s all because of those horrible, horrible females.

So once again I’ll say to Red Pill men: Stop blaming women for your problems. It’s not manly. And it gets you nowhere.

God damn, I can’t even remember how many times I’ve said this already. Women are a SYMPTOM, not the cause. Women have always been women. How about you get off your stool and get honest and look at the situation instead of using shaming language you EPIC CUCK!

If you’ve hitched yourself to a woman who tears you down and sucks you dry, then, by all means, do what’s necessary to extricate yourself from the situation. Or if that’s not possible (due to children, etc.), then take whatever steps you need to keep yourself sane.

But you still have to be a man.

Yes, and we’ll decide what that means for ourselves, not have some tradcon scream and lecture us as to what he ‘thinks’ we should be. You’re free to decide this for yourself MGTOW men.

You still have to take responsibility for your own life.

I am responsible for my life, and right now my responsibility is making sure some self-righteous asshole like you doesn’t get to decide what I should be. And every MGTOW is in the same boat.

You still have to follow your own goals and ideals, and work toward accomplishing something you believe in.

There are many men who are stuck in sucky marriages but who still do great things. They have drive, ambition, and a vision of what they want to accomplish.

We’ve all met men like this. Wouldn’t trade places with a man in that situation ever. And of course, I’m finding this ironic especially since he just finished attacking the Comments from Married Men” at MGTOW.com. A couple of paragraphs ago. Now, who else does this?

Oh yes, Radical Feminists do this!

Big Red

 

Of course, they would prefer to have a good marriage too. But they don’t let their bad marriage stop them from accomplishing their goals. For such a man, the focus is on accomplishments in the world of business or finance or politics or art. Where the money that flows from those accomplishments goes is a secondary consideration. So even if their gold-digging wives or ex-wives are bleeding them dry financially, they keep right on going.

And again no man is right mind would trade places with that guy. And knowing that this trap can be sprung on a man at ANY TIME in a marriage would make anyone think twice about it. Seriously fuck this nobly suffering part, well maybe in my case reading this blog by Lee is punishment enough.

I’m not saying this is a good situation. I’m not saying it’s right for women to leech off of men. Quite the contrary. Some women are indeed blood-sucking gold-diggers. And that is to their great shame.

Yep but hey you lost a leg in that minefield but you’re a man so go in again because society needs you! How stupid do you think I am?

Rather, I’m saying that if your focus is on money, possessions, and property, then a gold-digging wife is a life-ending disaster for you. But if your focus is on accomplishing something good and worthwhile in the world, you can keep being a winner as a man even if you are the loser financially in marriage or in divorce court.

So do what it takes to make your life work. Extricate yourself from a bad marital situation if you can. Protect what assets you can protect. But don’t blame your terrible wife, or that terrible, blood-sucking female race, or those terrible feminazis, if you are a failure as a man. That’s on your shoulders.

No, that’s not on my shoulders you ignorant shit. There are scores of magazines on racks in every supermarket and store that teach women how to put on their best face so men won’t see what they are until it’s too late. However, when such publications for men are released they’re demonized. Yes, folks, Lee is that thick that he doesn’t see that. No point in explaining it to him. But yes you know fellow MGTOW that this is indeed the case. Just look at what’s happened to RooshV. Now I’ll admit my opinions are mixed on RooshV but that doesn’t dismiss the level of harassment RooshV has had to endure even in attempts to warn men about potentially toxic women.

Men must take responsibility for themselves

So to the MGTOW specifically I say: If you want to be single, no problem. That’s your choice.

Damn straight it is, now GET LOST LEE!

But take responsibility for your own life. Do something good and productive with your time, energy, and talents. Don’t let your bad experiences with women be an excuse to check out of society and waste away your life in some isolated man cave.

I do and stop projecting your values about some non existent sky diety on us!

Once again, I speak from experience. I’ve been through the whole thing. When I was young (24, to be exact) and even more foolish than I am today, I married the wrong woman (we were not the best match for each other), and proceeded to have a marriage that was fine at first, but gradually went downhill until it ended in divorce twenty-four years later. By the time the divorce was final, I had spent half of my life in a deteriorating marriage.

Was that my former wife’s fault? It would be nice to be able to blame her. But the fact of the matter is that I was the headstrong young male who pursued her for nine years until she finally agreed to marry me. And though she is, of course, responsible for her own decision to marry me and for whatever she did during the marriage, I can’t avoid responsibility for the fact that I made and pursued the decision to marry her despite many indications that it wasn’t such a great idea.

And when the mismatched marriage finally broke up, it was my job to pick up the pieces of my own life and continue on to accomplish what I am here on earth to do.

Yup, because his experience means that every other male will just MAGICALLY have that happen to him too. And MGTOW is a purpose that men are going to chose. Keep trucking MGTOW despite what Lee just said here you’re enititled to your life.

That’s what it means to be a man. And the original MGTOW philosophy was not about dissing, denigrating, and blaming women, but about achieving one’s best potential as a man, regardless of what women do.

Second time the original MGTOW philosophy has been pushed past by the second generation who wrote a lot more eloquently and intelligently than the original founders did. This does happen sometimes so just lay off with ‘the original founders would be horrified crap” because.

  1. You aint one of them
  2. You’re not MGTOW
  3. Trad Con crap doesn’t fly here

For some men, this will mean being single. For others, it will mean being in a relationship or a marriage with a wog man.

Either way, a man is responsible for his own life. If you make bad choices or get yourself into bad relationships, that is still your responsibility.

I REALLY hope you’re not going into blame mode here because if you are FUCK YOU!

So although I know the men in the Red Pill movement hate to hear it, I’ll say again, as I said at the end of the first article in this series:

Man up, quit complaining, and do the hard work.

No, you fuck off and go be a cuck somewhere else. I and every MGTOW will take as long as we feel it’s required to figure out what we want out of our lives. That won’t be dictated to me by some Bible Thumping Trad Con asswipe who thinks he knows better because some non-existent sky diety quoted by barely literate goat herders said 2000 years ago is a good model for everyone.

If you want to be a man, you have to act like one.

OK, I’m going to be one here. And politely tell you to go have sex with yourself and mind your own business. You’re an idiot and haven’t got a clue what MGTOW is and that’s been clearly written down. You’re not MGTOW you don’t get a say. Your shaming language is pathetic and so are you, Lee.

There that ‘man’ enough for you?

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Interview with Walking Away Man

 

Yes, this is the man from the VICE MGTOW article

This article came out just a few weeks after Lauren Southern did her series of interviews at the Edmonton Slutwalk. This Slutwalk was the last one held here in Edmonton

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/08/08/so-you-think-the-manosphere-is-losing/

What I remember about the VICE article was that back in 2015 VICE had a comments section. This comments section was easily one of the ugliest battlefields I’ve ever run across for a comment section. You name it I saw it happen or it happened to me. This is what I saw in the comments section. Sorry you’ll have to take my word for this because VICE no longer allows comments

*One man commented 97 TIMES that Elliot Rodger was a MGTOW and MRA and when he was called out by me refused to back up his claim

*There was another woman that came on made stupid comments, blocked me and my friends and then continued to post up and act like she was winning. Or at least she did until she was called out for doing this by me.

*Another woman blocked me and friends and then pretended to post up in support of me EXCEPT that she made the mistake of picking an MRA avatar, which ended up costing the whole ploy any legitimacy.

*Four separate times a White Knight came in posted up a comment, got his shit called whereupon the guy would block me and would then bravely post up AFTER he had blocked me declaring he brave he was doing so.

*A group of SJW’s started a thread in the comments section started a hate thread aimed specifically at me.

I could go on but I won’t. This is the first interview that this man has done since the Slutwalk as you will find out there was a method behind the madness.

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Review of My Guesses for 2017

 

This is it!

My Last official act of 2017. This is the one where I look back at this article

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2017/01/09/my-guesses-for-2017/

And we look at how well or how badly I did. I’ll admit I did review this article a couple of weeks back and it didn’t look like I’d done all that badly. Unlike last year when Donald Trump threw a wrench into the guessing this year no such thing occurred. But I know for a fact I got some of the guesses wrong and I think I bombed out on a couple of them. Like I said I’m doing this again and writing down the results as they appear. So while I think I did well I could’ve stunk up the joint.

Let’s the massacre of my supposed high intelligence begin!

  1. People hold their breath for President Donald Trump

Yeah, there’s one that didn’t happen! Antifa Riots, Million woman march and open declaration of war by Feminists and Regressives. trump-4-805x452

Yep, the regressives didn’t even wait for Donald Trump to make a mistake they just went ahead and started attacking blindly. In fact, it was speculated that if this was what it was going to be like for the next four years well…god help us all.

People did calm down, Antifa lost its teeth but the attacks on Trump continue.

But for this guess BOY did I ever get this one wrong!

The Establishment may attempt to distract us from the ever-widening internal culture war with an outside distraction.

There was some talk about North Korea, there were the usual (ever increasing) terrorist attacks in Europe and a bombing in Syria. The Administration didn’t attempt to ramp up any wars and neither did the Regressives attempt to throw any crumbles and bobbles our way for us to look at. They went and stayed on the offensive to the best of their ability. At least until their credibility also started to take serious hits.

In hindsight the mainstream media and the establishment wanted us to pay attention to them this year. They got what they wanted and now they’re in free fall just like the rest of the regressives are.

But for the sake of this blog, wrong again. Mostly because 1 and 2 are tied together to make it so.

 3. Transparent attempts to crack down or censor the internet mainly alternative news sites.

YES! Got one right and boy did I ever hammer this one out the ballpark.

What stands out for me most though is the intentional lying about Pewdiepie

Got this one right (Finally)

 4. Gamergate (or a form of it) is not dead back for round #2

Comicgate…Nuff said

Or you can just go to The Quartering to see what’s happening with Wizards of the Coast at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfwE_ODI1YTbdjkzuSi1Nag

Either way, I nailed this one!

  5. A Watering down of the Manosphere in general

This one is kind of hard to prove. MGTOW.com became the second largest site in the manosphere and A Voice for Men returned to its old prominence. More MGTOW, MRA, Red Pill, PUA etc sites got started up. An increase in size and attention will mean a larger variety of opinion thus a watering down. Nothing unexpected here so I’ll give myself a yes here.

6. A rise in the extreme right inside the movement

I saw more Anti-Semitism this year than I had in the five years before. I had one of these guys start to follow me around the manosphere to keep justifying his beliefs to me. I personally had to declare that any jew bashing (Anti-Semitism) on my Facebook group would get you booted. You know it’s getting out of control when guys like Turd Flinging Monkey have to start making videos specifically addressing this issue.

The comments section got so bad here that YouTube had to shut down both comments and ratings. Like I said in my guesses for 2018 blog, this is the ugly stepchild of the manosphere and it needs to be dealt with SOON!

Got this one right though.

7. More prominent divisions rising inside the Manosphere

The rise of the Alt-Right is proof enough for that. We also had people on our side attacking each other. There was a row between Candace Owens and Computing Forever

There was also another one that appears to have removed Kraut and Tea from the YouTube community for now too.

Just to make it clear on both of these people. Candace Owens took down Social Autopsy for me that’s sufficient. Dave Cullen had a higher standard and it’s his channel so he has the right to say that there. Kraut and Tea on the other hand? I wasn’t involved never really followed it. I liked most of what Kraut and Tea did and I hope he comes back. Don’t know enough about what happened to make a call on it.

I can say I got this one right 5 for 7 now, not bad considering how badly I tanked at the start!

   8. Attacks on MGTOW happen with more frequency and ferocity

Well first we had this

Both of these stupid idiots started their channels in 2017. But for more example, we had this and a few others post up as well

This particular video got torn to shreds in the comments not to mention Turd Flinging Monkey did an epic takedown of this video.

Now this guy was really disappointing because he usually has an idea what he’s talking about

The real disappointment here was how he pinned this to the top of this video.

Styxnhammer

Yeah I pretty much say I got this one right

9. I’m not a Feminist or I’m not and/or antifeminist pronouncements rise quickly

This actually tapered off in 2017. Never mind that it’s picked up in a large way at the start of 2018. In 2017 this didn’t happen, likely because Feminists were more active and got more than a little help from the mainstream media

Got this one wrong

  10. Yet ANOTHER months-long period of feminist and/or SJW stupidity

There were moments where it looked like there was going to be something like this. The Mainstream Media though did engage in epic levels of stupidity and did have periods where they did the same thing that other branches of the regressive community did.

Does the mainstream media count as SJW? I’m going to give myself a tentative yes on this. Again though as the start of 2018 has indicated the regressives seem hell bound to lose all the ground they gained in 2017.

1/2 point on this one

11. Very clear signs that Feminism is losing 

Had the year ended before Harvey Weinstein got taken down it was really starting to look like this was going to happen.

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Once this happened Feminists moved in a took Hollywood without much of fight, even going so far as to set up a potential McCarthy like commission to investigate sexual abuse in Hollywood

Now once again it appears as though Feminists have managed to shoot themselves in the foot as 2018 started. This MAY prevent the sexual misconduct commission from becoming too authoritarian too quickly. Or they may attempt to speed this up because of events that started, time will tell.

Now since this is about 2017 and not 2018 I’m going to have to go wrong about this one.

 12. Things start getting violent

I’m just going to post up a few things about Antifa and let them speak for themselves

Battle of Berkeley

 

Yeah I know, sorry just had to post this.

Granted Antifa had lost most of their Mojo by mid-year. The violence didn’t extend through the entire year of 2017. Something for which I think we can all be grateful for. 2018 feels like a different beast, more like a kettle bomb going off from pressure at some point.

So yes I did get this one right, glad it slowed down towards mid-year though.

 13. Outrageous and Blatant Lies

From the mainstream media? Oh hell yes absolutely!

I mean there are so many examples of it that I couldn’t possibly post all the content so here’s a link to it instead

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mainstream+Media+Lies+2017

14. Members of the various SJW factions start getting in trouble

Didn’t happen there were moments where it happened but you didn’t see the long hemorrhaging that had occurred inside regressive circles brought on by their own stupidity in 2017. UNLESS you cover mainstream news that’s another story altogether. For the sake of argument, I’m just going to put the mainstream media in the regressive camp here. They took the shots that the other factions couldn’t and probably wouldn’t have been able to take in 2017. As a result, they now are starting to find themselves in the same boat as them. If 2018 is any indication of 2017 for them it’s going to be a LONG year.

And oh yes got this one right

15. Bill Cosby Trial! 

Harvey Weinstein ended up being the goat that Bill Cosby was supposed to be. The Cosby trial was a virtual non-event. Luckily (If you’re a feminist) Harvey fell into the void quite nicely. He provided the impetus and push that Feminism had at the end of 2017 to pretty much take Hollywood and to destroy more than a few careers in the process. The price paid for doing this was totally unexpected though. It wasn’t anyone on the Deplorable side of the fence that got taken down. Instead, Feminists fed on their own that strategy of cannibalizing their own allies though appears to caught up to them already.

So yeah it sort of happened just not with the person I thought it was going to trigger it with. So I sort of got this one right in the actions but not the person.

  16. Virtue Signal Failure

Not as much as in 2016! But then again it would be very hard to ever duplicate 2016. Although based on what I’ve seen so far in 2018 it might be quite easily exceeded.

This one was going to be a pretty safe yes.

  17. Call on Donald Trump to be impeached or resign by the end of summer

Full History here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_impeach_Donald_Trump

Impeach Trump

Yep got this one right. In fact, there was another attempt made just a few days ago.

  18. A Hard Right or Nationalist party wins a country (Or two) in Europe this year. 

Czech Election Won by Anti-Establishment Party Led by Billionaire

Well now, Thank You, Andrej Babis for getting the win for me!

So how did I do? 13 1/2 out of 18 75% well now not bad for a bunch of guesses. I want to discuss more though on how I went wrong and how no matter how accurate any kind of model is, even one where I’m just picking what I think and feel are the most likely reactions based on previous experience. Events can sometimes take strange twists. Or like what happened when Donald Trump put a wrench into a lot of my guesses in 2016 the actions of one individual can and do count.

What did I get wrong and why did I get them wrong in my not so humble opinion

Number 1 I got wrong because I assumed incorrectly that there would be the usual honeymoon period for Donald Trump nothing of the sort happened. In fact with a little hindsight it appears as though a lot of what occurred might have been artificially inflated

Number 2 I got wrong because I assumed once all the insanity got started it would escalate quickly. It didn’t in fact it came in two sections one at the start of the year from Antifa and the back end being provided by Feminism. North Korea had some moments for Donald Trump and the Administration but they didn’t use this to distract from the homeland

North Korea

Number 9 I got wrong there were a couple of factors. One being the move by social media sites to crack down on political wrong think. Another one was the apparent resurgence of feminism at the end of 2017. There’s also a case of a upswing will eventually top off. That doesn’t mean that they won’t start jumping on the wagon again in fact I’ve seen evidence of this starting in 2018

Number 10 I got wrong because while it did happen I didn’t expect that it would be the mainstream media and not the groups I expected.

Number 11 Never in my imagination did I ever expect that Feminists would devour their own allies for such a fleeting and temporary victory. Like I said before they captured Hollywood but have likely sped up their own demise

So I did OK, good thing nobody followed my guesses though I mean 75% is pretty good and worth a victory lap or two. I think it shows that my guesses can and should be taken with a grain of salt.

Guesses for 2018!

Each year in the manosphere is affected by the one that came before it! The enormous pushback by regressives in particular feminists was a reaction to the thrashing that Feminism and Regressives took in 2016

 

 

 

 

It wasn’t all that unexpected that there was going to be pushback in 2017. It started out with the Trump Protest and the open and blatant announcement by Ashley Judd

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We all suspected what was coming and it did. One friend of mine mid-year suggested that 2017 was like The Empire Strikes Back. Now he said that as a comparison only to have someone wave a sign proclaiming Feminism Strikes Back in December of 2017

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Yeah, your eyes ain’t fooling you. This woman likened feminism to the Evil Empire and did so unabashedly.

Now I’m not going to get into a huge review of 2017 here that’s for another blog post which will also likely be up before the end of the year. Probably more than at any time since I got involved in the Manosphere is a year being so dictated by events that came before it. Each year generally has it’s stand-alone topics. The surprising emergence of Donald Trump and Brexit in 2016 for instance. 2018 though appears to be following a path that’s already been laid out for it. And that’s probably where I should start out with

My Guesses for 2018

As usual, no horoscopes, tarot cards, charts, graphs, crystal balls or any other form of divination used here. Just one guy looking at what’s going on and proceeding down the time tunnel and taking a somewhat informed guess as to what will happen. Of course, this means I’ll be wrong about some of these, but damn I like writing this article at the end of the year.

1. 2018 The Culture War Gets Hot

Culture War

2017 saw the Battle of Berkely, The Million Woman March, The Adpocalypse, Vidcon, #metoo, etc. Starting in late November 2017 we began to see #metoo begin to fray around the edges as feminists like Emily Lindin openly announced that they didn’t care about innocent men. Emily Lindin

We also saw women openly call out people like Emily Lindin publicly for the first time. These women weren’t Honey Badgers either. Yes, folks, a major FEMALE celebrity spoke out openly against feminism

Tomi Lahren

How do you want me to say this? Despite all of the alleged ‘gains’ made by feminists in 2017 they haven’t actually silenced or taken anyone out. They did manage to wound Milos Yiannopoulos but other than that nobody on our side of the fence got taken down. Seattle for Truth is headed for jail but that isn’t because of Feminist activism and Ethan Ralph is currently in prison but will be out early in 2018. Feminist males though were tossed under the bus in droves and from what I’ve been able to digest. Even men that were on the sidelines when it comes to this are now acutely aware that any woman from any time can come back with an allegation and ruin everything. If you think that won’t bring in more people to the manosphere then you’re deluded. So we’re stronger, so are they but they had to cannibalize themselves to do it.

Bottom line here is that now The Manosphere itself is growing and is now also aware and getting organized to hit back.

2. Silent Winter

Here’s the irony of all that wrote above. Feminists/SJW’s think they did well this year. I’m going to lay good odds that unlike the two or three previous years this year they’ll take a breath or two before coming out. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me that they’re relatively quiet until it’s time to start gearing up for the 2018 Mid-Terms in the US or…

3. Hey, you bastards I’m still here!

Hey you bastards

At some point in 2018, it’s going to dawn on Regressives, specifically Feminists that all those men they supposedly took out of the picture in 2017 weren’t the ones that counted. They’ll figure out that we’re still here and very much in the fight. When this does happen they’ll also realize that something else is also happening

4. #Metoo Starts to slow down and backfire

This started out well for feminists. This was the event that they had been waiting for to come out screaming and yelling as loudly as they can. Ironically enough I thought it was going to be Bill Cosby, not Harvey Weinstein that would be the cause of it. Not only that they didn’t even wait for any kind of legal verdict, they simply tried him via the media

It should be noted that Bill Cosby’s new trial is currently slated for April this year

Bill Cosby’s Retrial For 2004 Rape Gets Official April 2018 Start Date – Update

This though isn’t the main problem Jeremy Piven was accused and passed a lie detector test.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5100023/Mr-Selfridge-star-Jeremy-Piven-passes-lie-detector-test.html

We already have feminists on the record that they don’t care about false accusations. These false accusations will start to pile up. Now in 2017 the media could pony up and cover up these shortcomings.

The mainstream media will ignore false accusations, the alternative media though won’t. This takes me to my next guess.

5. The Mainstream Media takes a serious run at the Alternate Media

Let’s not kid ourselves here the mainstream media is clearly starting to falter. In 2017 there was a long series of situations where the mainstream (cathedral) media dropped the ball with facts or in some cases outright lied.

This is likely going to continue, stories will get more desperate and less fact-based as ratings continue to go down and credibility continues to drop. You may even see a 2015/16 Feminist style bleeding out as one network then another constantly puts its foot in its mouth. While the alternative/internet media will continue to grow. With US midterms coming up later in the year, these organizations will be left with very little choice but to outright smear alternative media.

6. Alternative media starts to surge

This really isn’t shouldn’t be all that big of a surprise to anyone who reads this. This group is already doing well and will get even better as the year progresses. In fact, all that’ll really happen when mainstream media starts coming after them is that they’ll simply acquire more viewership. This tends to happen when you’re by and large reporting the truth as opposed to being a mouthpiece for the corrupt establishment. The Alternative media won’t be the only group that gets stronger and larger as the year progresses

7. All the Groups in the “Manosphere” Get Larger

Be they MRA, PUA, MGTOW, Red Pill, Anti Feminists, Anti SJW’s etc all of them should grow by leaps and bounds in 2018. You may have missed this but A Voice For Men has recently gone back to the numbers they had at the end of 2015. The MRM is far from dead no matter how many people in MGTOW say it is. avoiceformen.com 112817

That’s not to say that MGTOW and MRA’s are in a fight with each other. There’s a substantial amount of overlap between the two. Depending on the man and in some cases the woman, the group that most fits their preference will be the one they sign on with. It’s when these groups start getting larger than some of the so-called established sites for men that people will really start noticing.

8. MGTOW faces serious attacks

Up until now, MGTOW has been for the most part considered a fringe group. This is going to change as 2018 progresses. There are a number of reasons why MGTOW is arguably the most disliked faction inside the manosphere. I did a whole YouTube video as to why.

You have to keep in mind that this isn’t just going to be MGTOW that’ll be taking the heat. There’s going to be desperate attempts to tie all of these groups to less liked more radical factions fighting against the establishment.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/10/technology/culture/divided-we-code-red-pill/index.html

Although I’m not a huge fan of the Red Pill subreddit they had a response to the CNN piece

Expect a lot more of this.

9. Gearing up for Mid-Terms

All of these attacks you’re going to see? There’s a reason for them, that reason should be as obvious as the nose on your face. 2018 is a Mid-Term year, Democrats and Anti Trumpers everywhere want to focus on getting a majority in the house and/or The Senate. They won’t make any bones about why either they want to impeach Trump. Now at this point, it’s hard for me to guess which way these elections will go. No matter which way they go there’s a serious possibility that they’ll be in an unwinnable position. You see even if they do succeed in capturing the house it’ll still require time to get an impeachment going. Donald Trump though isn’t the only player on the board. The Regressives by the fall of 2018 may not have the cultural capital left to take on both Trump and the ‘Deplorables’ at the same time.

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If they do get control of the House then most of their energy will be put into his impeachment. Which won’t succeed if they fail assassination isn’t out of the question as the situation with the regressives continues to deteriorate in 2018.

10. Culture war gets hotter

Magic The Gathering, Comic Books, Hollywood, MetalGate even some of the lesser-known artistic groups either have or will reach tipping points in regards to Cultural Marxists telling them how to conduct themselves. More of these groups are going to organize and start fighting back as 2018 rolls on.

11. Hollywood starts to feel the heat

Hollywood_Sign_(Zuschnitt)

This sexual misconduct investigation will likely morph into something closer to the 50’s style of McCarthyism that saw performers and creators career ruined. The level of originality and creativity is already at an all-time low in Hollywood will continue to go down. But not before there’s a brief and hopeful soft bounce upwards as more female directors will get their chance later on in 2018.

Oceans8

What you’re likely to see is more Feminist style grandstanding and the new powers in Hollywood learn nothing from what happened to the Video Game, Comic Book, Spec Fiction and MTG power players have or will find out. That it’s not a very good idea to insult or lecture your potential audience

Ironic that it was just 30 years ago that we were LOLing at the Russians and Eastern Bloc’s lack of creativity and dullness. But if you look at some of the fashion shows you’ve seen recently you may have noticed a trend.

Here’s the frightening part they’re taking themselves very seriously just like in The Wendy’s commercial I posted up earlier.

12. At least one of the Hollywood Studios gets in financial trouble

You really need to take a look at some of the movies coming out. Some of them are pretty interesting. There’s one though that stinks to high heaven of flop months before it even comes out

http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/01/05/every-single-superhero-movie-coming-2018/9/

Secret Warriors

This movie has all those characters that Diversity and Comics and Capn Cummings have been warning about for the past few months. Instead of simply getting the message after what 5-6 Captain Marvel restarts and how immensely unpopular other characters like Squirrel Girl and America Chavez are, instead, they’re doing this. This is what it says in the article about this movie

“Marvel Rising: Secret Warriors will star Spider-Gwen who will now go by Ghost-Spider as she teams up with Quake, America Chavez, Squirrel Girl, Captain Marvel, Inferno, Ms. Marvel, Patriot, and Glory to take on the villainous Kree Accuser Hala.

The script is being written by Mairghread Scott and will feature some top voice talent including Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. veterans Chloe Bennet and Ming-Na Wen. It will also star Dove Cameron, Tyler Posey, BooBoo Stewart, Kathreen Khavari, Milana Vayntrub, Cierra Ramirez, Kamil McFadden, Skai JacksFron, and Kim Raver.

The digital film is set to launch sometime in 2018.”

Yep, I can hear the SJW’s screaming sexism and not learning a thing about Ghostbusters and likely Oceans 8. You’ll see them do all sorts of intelligent things, like insult and berate the regular moviegoers, virtue signal the living fuck out this. And of course, when it falls down like a lead balloon they’ll blame everyone but themselves for it.

In short, one of the studios will get bought out and there may well be more than just one. This will have an interesting bleed over effect.

13. Comicgate will heat up and the SJW’s will wilt under the heat

This probably won’t surface until near the end of the year. Truth has a way of winning out in the end anyway. But if the right studio, or in this case the wrong studio starts to go under the new owners are going to likely demand a profit of some kind for their investment. This will mean that crappy stories and characters being put out by Marvel will have to stop because shitty comics don’t sell, and new investors are not going to be happy with sales by Marvel at all.

So in effect, Comicgate will expire the same way Gamergate did. The regressives will shoot themselves in the foot. It started to unwind for the SJW’s in Gamergate when Anita Sarkeesian did her Nightline appearance.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/02/20/anita-sarkessian-makes-her-big-mistake/

One curious effect of her Nightline appearance is that it exposed how few people supported her. It’s also very likely in the case of Comicgate that the power of SJW’s in comics is because nobody knows exactly how many people are SJW’s and how many are not. I posted up a YouTube video called The Spaces In Between covering this

 

This though will not be the only place where things start to go south for the regressives.

14. Title IX legislation and the meltdown on campuses

We saw what happened at Missouri and Evergreen State

There will be more events like in 2018, in fact, I’m guessing many more. It reached the point in 2017 where on professor lost her job because of her racist views.

Ironically she got fired from a noted LIBERAL and BLACK UNIVERSITY! I mean you have to be pretty damn bad to have that happen to you. Cracks are going to start showing up everywhere in academia this year and it’ll be beyond the ability of the Mainstream media to put out all the fires or even ignore them as their credibility takes hit after hit this year.

This spring will also be the first group graduating that had Donald Trump as their president for a full year. There should at the very least be active discussion of curtailing and maybe even eliminating Title IX altogether

Let me make this clear despite all the bleating you’ll see from Soy Boys and Feminists on this issue. I was recently told that there are currently over 200 Title IX lawsuits pending against various academic institutions in the United States. If even just a small percentage of those lawsuits is successful, and the law of averages suggests that some of them will be. The need for Academia to reform Title IX simply to protect themselves from potential lawsuits will be enough to send it down the tubes.

Betsy DeVos is actually saving modern academia by doing what she’s doing. It’s a shame that Regressives can’t see that their goose is literally cooked on this, and it’s really only a matter of time before it happened anyway.

This though may not be the biggest hit academia takes this year, or even the biggest hit regressives take all year.

15. Stage Four event happens!

There are Eight stages of a Movement

http://www.returnofkings.com/27956/the-8-stages-all-movements-go-through

Now whether you like Bill Moyers politics or not isn’t relevant here. We’ve been sitting on stage 3 now for close to Five years since Donglegate.

Donglegate

Late in the year especially if the Democrats are unable to win the house and thus the Regressives have to stare into an ever-widening abyss where their political and cultural capital has been depleted. This is when someone will get desperate. This desperation will likely be the event that triggers Stage 4. It’ll likely be something very small on a campus, maybe in a blue state. It may not even happen in the US it may happen out of the country. The other shoe will drop the one that Feminists have been afraid would drop. One of them will simply push things a little too far.

We all know what happens after that! The fire that has been slowly getting hotter and hotter as 2018 has been progressing will ignite. There will be all sorts of ramifications from this, far too many here for me to write about. The chances of this happening in this calendar year are 50/50 NEVER have the odds been so good. If by some chance we do get out of 2018 without stage 4 happening. The odds get greater as time goes by as does the chance for a full-on civil war.

16. BLM and reverse racism slowly fade but Anti-Semitism raises its large ugly head

Black Lives Matter lost it’s patron when Barrack Obama left office. With Barrack Obama not needing a diversion like BLM to keep the focus off him, it started a long slow decline which will continue into 2018.

As much as I’d like to celebrate this fact there’s just one problem. Anti Semites have followed the same track we’re using to fight regressives to reawaken an old forgotten issue namely attacks on Jews. I’ve seen more Anti Semitism online in the last 6 months than I did in the previous 5 years. I’ve even had one of them actively follow me online to keep yelling at me. Something that I had only encountered from an Atheism Plus acolyte.

This is the ugly stepchild of the whole movement. These people do more to prove the regressives right than anything else we do. If this group isn’t either removed or muted in some way these people could defeat everything we’ve been fighting for.

17. Increased Tension in Europe

As it currently sits the Regressives ‘won’ in France and Germany. The only problem with this in that in both cases the winning party now has to deal with an opposition that won’t allow them to put the Islamic issue under the carpet. Blatant attempts in Europe are being made to prevent the immigrant issue from getting out into the mainstream. Like calling the new crop of rioters on New Years Eve men or people instead of Immigrants

Belgium, Ireland, Hungary, Italy, Finland, Russia and late in the year Sweden all have elections scheduled this year. Each of them are going to situations where. The Regressives are going to be grinding their teeth as they watch their hold, not just on power but their ability to control information slip away from them.

You combine this with the United States Mid Terms we’re probably going to get a clear picture of where things are headed by Mid Year and will definitely know what’s afoot by the end of 2018

So How Does the Year Look?

It’s going to start out slowly. Unlike 2016 when Feminists and SJW’s took an absolute mauling. In 2017 they think they did well because they took Hollywood and exposed a whole bunch of evil men to the world.

In truth what they did is cannibalize their own ranks. You may have noticed but in case you hadn’t NOT ONE of us so-called ‘Deplorables’ got taken down by the opposition this year. Male Feminists though had a really bad year.

I’ve been avoiding calling what I’m involved in a Culture War, but that’s exactly what we’re in now. Wars require a lot of things and they tend to use up a lot of resources. In this fight, there are Three things needed Cultural, Political and Financial Capital. Cultural being the most important by the end of the year. Each of these is tied together and like any war goodwill from the culture is what maintains the opposition. For us it doesn’t matter, we’re used to being the underdogs and not having the support of the population or the money to fight back in the media or swing elections etc.

A series of larger and larger brush fires will start up as 2018 goes on. Each of these will cause more damage to the Regressives, who will do like they’ve always done. Their allies and supporters in Washington, LA and New York will keep them afloat. But as these groups all start to falter under the weight of their own hubris. More desperate measures will have to be taken. By the end of 2018 or the early part of 2019, there will likely be a full scale and now very public culture war.

And then it gets ugly!

Enjoy the silence people, the embers that are going to start this off are already smoldering.

You Have Been Friend-Zoned Quick Give Her This – Elevenoneoneblog

Yes, this blog is primarily a MGTOW blog. Unless you’re a complete hermit you’ll have to deal with women in one form or another. There are also more than a few of us that have been friend zoned (present company included) The personal pain involved in this can be overwhelming especially if you keep it bottled up.

You also need to keep in mind here that there is always a possibility that someone could come along. Biology is something that every man has to deal with and things in your life can change. I personally do research on PUA material not to get laid, but because of all the groups in the manosphere PUA’s have the best insight into female nature and how to have women view you favorably.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/10/27/would-you-go-back-to-the-plantation-because-life-does-happen/

But if this has happened to you a massive sharp break is the best way, letting her know that what she has been doing to you is unacceptable. The one I did this too last year got told in a way that she was going to remember.

via You Have Been Friend-Zoned Quick Give Her This.

My First Interview…Let’s Rant #25 — A MGTOW Interview

I just finished a recording where I cover some of the topics that I thought needed some additional coverage in an audio post and that I either felt I didn’t address properly or I missed/didn’t think to mention during this interview

I had to do some meditation on this interview after the fact, and once I post up My Thoughts on The Ranthony Interview, you’ll notice that I mention asking. That asking is me asking a question putting it out to the universe and getting the answer that I got. When I do this, or when anyone does this I always keep in mind that the answer I get is the answer I get. I’ll admit that in many cases the answer I get back via this meditation process isn’t always pleasant. In many cases, it’s like having to take yet another Red Pill. The information gained from such a process has always been enlightening about the issue or me in some form or another.

This is what I came up with

Angry MGTOW

Angry MGTOW

Straight up Angry MGTOW’s content never really appealed to me. That’s not to mean that I disliked or hated the guy, what I mean is that for me personally his content just wasn’t where I’m at in my life. Not only that his presentation and voice made it really hard for me to sit and watch his videos for more than a few minutes.

And then there’s his actual content

Seriously? Blaire White and ShoeOnHead Feminists? That must either be intentional click bait, or Angry MGTOW isn’t in touch with reality. What I also noticed is that anyone, and I do mean anyone that needed proof that all MGTOW were unhinged, Angry MGTOW was the go-to guy. Occasionally you’d see someone try and twist Sandman’s content around, usually that required cherry picking to make it happen.

I was asked what I was going to do about Angry MGTOW. And what was I going to do about Angry MGTOW? After my meditation, I came up with the answer of, Nothing!

Now that may sound unsatisfactory to the critics of MGTOW, allow me to explain. First of all, I’m responsible for myself and my own actions. I don’t subscribe to him, watch him or endorse him in any way. He occasionally, and do mean occasionally comes up with a compelling point, you have to sift through a lot of content to find it. I Haven’t got the time or inclination to do that. So in my case, my conscience is quite clear

Second MGTOW isn’t an organization like The Borg

Borg

MGTOW is a collection of men going along on an individual path. Yes, there are factions inside MGTOW, and some are insane some are quite sane. Beyond the principal of anti gynocentrism and a marriage strike there are few things that all MGTOW will agree on. Therefore it’s impractical and almost impossible for me or any other MGTOW on YouTube to do anything beyond saying that they limit their association with Angry MGTOW. Here’s the ultimate crux of the problem even if Angry MGTOW were to go away (Die, Stop making videos, Quit, Disappear, etc. )  There would simply be another guy like Angry MGTOW that would step into his place. So whether you like him or not he’s here! And there is a faction inside MGTOW that his rhetoric appeals to. I personally don’t associate with him, and that’s really all anyone can do.

What can be done? The MGTOW that have been through the Red Pill Rage and come out the other side. There’s a need for us to be there to help the increasing number of men that are taking the Red Pill themselves and help them through the Purple Pill phase as best we can. Some will get stuck in the Red Pill Rage, and there’s very little I or anyone else can do if a man decides to stay there. Setting this up and encouraging this will require fortitude, there are entirely too many men out there that feel that any kind of emotional expression will make him a crybaby and will treat any other man around them that does so in a harsh manner. None the less I think this needs to be done.

The Comparison to Feminism

Answering this one was pretty easy for me.

It got pointed out to me that the structure of MGTOW is very similar to the structure of Feminism. In structure MGTOW, and Feminism looks the same. The answer here is in actions, A herd of Antelope and a herd of Elephants are both herds. These mammals though are two separate species they may both socialize in herds, but they act differently. This is where the argument that MGTOW is like Feminism falls apart. Yes, a herd is a herd, but herds of different animals act and behave differently despite the fact they both herd together. MGTOW actions have in very few even come close to the actions of what Feminists have done. The extreme factions are always mentioned, the extreme though isn’t the norm, unlike Feminism the extreme factions are not the ones dictating the herd.

I will admit that this comparison has caused me to re-evaluate feminism. It’s become even more clear to me now that Feminism not only won’t clean up its house, but they can’t. For them to do so would require a conscious, consistent long-term effort. It would also require the majority of feminism to actively support or jump on board with such an effort for it to work. Given the current situation that feminism is in at the moment, such an effort is very unlikely. What’s more like, and when I mean more I mean 99% likely to happen. Is that feminism will have to self-destruct and then need to rebuild itself from the ashes. By that time the whole concept of the role of women in society and what’s going on with them will probably be very different from what it is now.

This also serves as a warning to MGTOW and also to the MRM! We as a group cannot allow ourselves to fall into the same trap that feminism is now in. It’s critical that manosphere be about healing and rebuilding of men and not about revenge. It’s also clear from this interview that like Feminism both MGTOW and The MRM will likely also reach a period of redundancy in the west, assuming, of course, humanity doesn’t destroy itself.

Wasps and Bees also have a similar structure, and everyone agrees they’re not the same species, same situation here.

Blue Pill Alphas

If you go into the comments section of the Ranthony video, you’ll find a prime example of blue pill alpha. These are men that are doing well according to the selections that they’re aware. These men would be considered winners by societies standards today. They’ve played the game, played it well and in some rare cases are even thriving.

I reblogged this from The Rational Male, and it explains these guys better than I can here. Suffice to say though in the case of the guy I was dealing with he had a major dependence on external versus internal validation.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/11/15/blue-pill-alphas-the-rational-male/

I’d have to say at this point in time, these men are as big a threat, if not bigger than anything Feminism can throw at MGTOW at the moment. I did another blog recently about how Feminism is clearly starting to hit the ditch. They simply don’t have the resources either financially or culturally at this time to go into a full-on assault against MGTOW. Blue Pill Males and in particular Blue Pill Alphas do though. There is a basis for them doing so too. Imagine you’ve spent most of your life playing the game, fighting to get to the top of the heap, only to discover that not only was it not the top, but there were MGTOW able to ascend those heights that someone like Mr. Blue Pill Male could only dream of WITHOUT the brutal struggle. That’s not to say that the voyage for MGTOW is easy, the end of the process though delivers freedom that no Blue Piller, Not even a President, Prime Minister or King can have. This invalidates their whole struggle, this also explains why MGTOW have a tendency to want to hide their faces. Our process and struggle is very frightening to a blue pill alpha. Someone like the one I dealt with has to insult someone like me because it’s only in invalidating my effort that he can maintain his effort.

This anger and fear will grow as MGTOW continues to get larger and the effects start to have a real effect on the system as a whole. Specifically, in inoculating men against Gynocentrism these men will be compelled to do more than laughing at us and insulting us, THAT will be when the real fight begins. These men have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are, MGTOW are once they’ve completed the Red Pill Rage above and beyond that model.

This is where staying under the radar helps. At some point, there will be a face or two put on MGTOW until then though remaining a faceless mist is the best approach to people like this. That doesn’t mean I’m going to lie down and allow some ignorant fuck to step on my toes. I’ve worked hard to get past my personal red pill rage but also to self-actualize and self-validate.

Until then no Blue Pill asshole will tell me what I do with my life.

So in review, I’d say this interview was passable, Sandman does a much better job selling MGTOW than I can. I wasn’t seeking to convert anyone that’s not my style, my style is telling people what MGTOW has done for me. That’s really all that I can do

 

A Review of My Guesses for 2016

It’s the start of the New Year again! That means that it’s time for me to speculate on what might happen in 2017. I was more than a little surprised at how accurate I was for 2015. As I’m writing this, I have no idea how well I did for 2016.

So before I begin for 2017 let’s do a review on how well (or poorly) I did for 2016 this was the blog in question

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/my-predictions-for-2016/

1. A Politicizing of the gender issue

I have to admit this one was an absolute no-brainer. After all, it was an election year. By July Feminism was openly hemorrhaging badly. Had this election not come along Feminism would likely be a severely wounded and bleeding entity. Not that it wasn’t a terrible year for Feminism anyway

https://ageofshitlords.com/feminists-didnt-stand-a-chance-in-2016/

This article doesn’t include Gregory Alan Elliot winning his trial. The Idiotic doubling down by Feminists when Jian Ghomeshi was found innocent. Or how bad Feminists looked when they made blatant attempts to prevent the screening of Cassie Jaye’s documentary on the Men’s Right Movement called Take The Red Pill

Suffice to say I’m gonna count this one as DING!

2. Open calls for arrests and harassment of MRA/MGTOW/Red Pill

I hadn’t even finished the blog when there was an open call for the arrest of Milos Yiannapoulos on a morning talk show

Oddly enough when I wrote this I was thinking it was going to be one of the groups mentioned above, man, was I ever in for a surprise. While it did happen anyway via the open call to disrupt an event that Roosh V was going to put on.

http://www.rooshv.com/announcement-the-meetup-on-february-6-is-cancelled

Most of the violence came out either against Milos Yiannapoulos Dangerous Faggot Tour or During Trump Rallies. Men’s Rights and Red Pill ended up fading into the background during the fall

This video doesn’t include Trigglypuff or what happened at DePaul or UC Irvine.

Then we got what happened at Donald Trump political rallies

Gonna give myself a tentative ding on this one. It did happen but not to the people I thought it was going to.

3. Gregory Alan Elliot not guilty

HUGE ding on this one, again not a surprise here. I also have aired an opinion that a group within Twitter may in all likelihood were going to try and use a guilty verdict to come down hard on people like us. What they ended up doing is burning themselves out early with little to no real impact

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/twitter-harassment-trial-verdict-1.3415112

DING!

4. An ever increasing number of attacks by feminists on the GMM (Greater Men’s Movement)

They came out breathing fire at the start of 2016, especially on Twitter. I’m going to bring up a quote from that blog I wrote there

I see feminists becoming very quiet after that. After all, this was their only remaining shot at taking back the initiative they lost back in 2013. When they do come out of the castle again, it’ll get a whole lot nastier. Even more, than it is at the moment.

All that effort and all they managed to do were shut down a couple of pages on Facebook, Halt an Event done by Roosh V and stop a few screenings of Cassie Jaye’s movie. A very pitiful payout for what may have been an outright conspiracy.

Other than the harassment of Cassie Jaye’s movie after July it got pretty quiet it happened enough though that once again DING!

5. Feminism drops the ball on an issue, possibly even more than once

They didn’t even get out of the first day without dropping the ball huge! Look no further than Cologne on New Years Day!

In fact, there were so many of them that when Age of Shitlords did their article, even they had to omit some things

https://ageofshitlords.com/feminists-didnt-stand-a-chance-in-2016/

What the hell can I say here? DING!

6. The Beast that is MGTOW starts to emerge in full force. 

Became official sometime in the late summer or early fall when MGTOW.com first surpassed A Voice for Men and then blew past We Hunted the Mammoth just a few weeks later.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/09/07/mgtow-on-the-verge-of-arrival/

Yes folks MGTOW is here and is likely here for good unless the rules around a few things change drastically, specifically around marriage.

DING! Six for Six so far!

7. Women start taking the Red Pill!

This one was little bit riskier there are already some women that have swallowed the Red Pill, take this woman for instance

https://notesfromaredpillgirl.com/

But it wasn’t until September that I started noticing a trend. It started one night at work when I listened to a video from Story Time With Doge

I went in and did some digging on YouTube what I found was an eye opener! I looked up “Not a Feminist” or “I’m an Anti-Feminist” this is what I came up with

45 of the 53 videos on this list are in the last two years. THIRTY SEVEN of them are in 2016. If that’s not solid proof that Feminists are losing their ability to dictate what women say then nothing else will

I will be doing a blog and/or a video on this topic soon because it deserves it’s own mention all by itself.

Another DING!

8. Threats and Arrests of Men’s Activists

I covered this in number 2, So I may have repeated myself this one though was aimed directly at MRA’s. The activity shifted over to the Dangerous Faggot Tour and Donald Trump and not MRA’s. Therefore I have to give this guess a good solid BUMP!

Roosh V doesn’t count because he’s not an MRA

Damn can’t win them all now, can I?

9. Convention in London this June MUST happen!  

It did happen, and it went off with just one hitch the AVFM page on Facebook was taken down.

https://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/facebook-removes-avfms-page/

Other than this one small hitch ICMI 16 went off quietly without so much as a whimper from any Feminist. Why this happened, and why it went down so quietly as opposed to what happened in Michigan in 2014 can be speculated on somewhere else.

Gonna give myself a solid DING on this one!

10. Another Men’s Rights Group Emerges.

Didn’t happen! What did happen though was MGTOW got a whole lot bigger than it was a year ago. There was also a slow and gradual turning away from Feminism and Regressives in General as things like the Dangerous Faggot Tour and The Donald Trump presidential campaign diverted the attention away from the MRM.

BONK

11. Other media sites start becoming sympathetic to men’s issues.

Not as much I thought! When Cassie Jaye’s movie came out, and the censorship bandwagon started up the publicity became better. Otherwise, I didn’t see much change at all. What I did see was an increase in the rhetoric and lying from the other side.

Very tentatively gonna give myself a ding here and a bow of the head to Cassie Jaye

cassie-jaye

12. Dissention inside feminism.

I didn’t personally see anything. A quick google search turned up nothing as well. I suspect that this might’ve happened because of the need for Feminists to unite against Donald Trump. They were not nearly so focused on the Manosphere this year.

BONK! I underestimated the amount of bile and desperation within Feminism and The Regressive crowd in general.

13. Casualties inside the GMM

I didn’t see anyone walk away and quit! So casualties didn’t happen. Some people shifted their focus or expanded their activities to fighting regressives as opposed to simply staying inside the Manosphere. I have become much more vocal about being MGTOW.

Bonk here! But this is because of a shift in priorities inside society not because anyone got tired and quit.

14. Divorce, Child Custody, and Alimony issue grind slowly back in men’s favor

January 2nd is far too early to see any stats on 2016 anywhere. From what I saw though the trend does appear to be grinding it’s way to a more balanced system. Grind being the main word here because them wheels are moving damn slow.

DING!

10 of 14 were right in one form or another! Not bad when you consider that I’m in no way a psychic, mathematician, remote viewer or any way a practitioner of any kind of future prediction methods, be they scientific or esoteric.

I’m clearly guilty of underestimating Donald Trump not so much because I didn’t think he would win because I always thought that it was possible. What I didn’t see was the profound cultural impact his campaign and election, would have here in North America. In fact, last night while I was writing this I had to listen to one future predictor rant on against Donald Trump constantly as opposed to giving predictions.

2016 was indeed ‘Game the Fuck On’ so to speak. I see what happened with the 2016 Presidential Election especially after Donald Trump won as acts of Desperation. Especially the riots in various places after he won. Those riots were in my opinion about as ‘spontaneous’ as the sun rising in the morning.

On a personal level 2016 was the most difficult and trying year I’ve had as an adult apparantly I wasn’t the only one who had this happen to them though. What will happen in 2017? Well that’s another blog for later this week, so keep watching