Clinton or Trump two different paths for the Manosphere and The New Activism

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I have a love-hate relationship with politics. On the one hand, it fascinates me how and what people will do to do get and maintain power leaves me dizzy. On the other hand, people that cannot or will not stop talking about politics non-stop have easily got to be some of the most annoying people on the planet. Yes, everything has a political element to it, that being said though 12 step programs have a political element to them that didn’t stop me a Liberal choosing a guy that was about as Conservative as you could respectively get in Canada as a sponsor.

This man was the Ying to my Yang giving me a perspective on things that kept me in balance and centred. More importantly, he taught me without ever saying it that you don’t judge a person by their political affiliation, you judge them by what they do. This lesson has been crucial to me as I got involved with the MRM then MGTOW. There are still people that still cling to the dinosaur that’s the old liberal/conservative orbit on this issue. 

But that’s not the reason why I wanted to do this particular blog. I’ve been speculating on what’s happening in the 2016 presidential campaign and what it will mean for us in the Alternative media. Specifically what it’ll mean for us in the Greater Men’s Movement, Gamergate and the Red Pill.

I’ve already seen some very concerning trends develop in the last few months. For instance *1 There was an attempt early this year to platform the Gregory Alan Elliot verdict into an attempt to censor the internet and specifically Twitter. Which culminated in the one and only victory for feminism in the last few years when Roosh V had to pull back on his gathering. 

ANNOUNCEMENT: The Meetup On February 6 Is Cancelled

Not that I’m a big Roosh V fan or anything but what I concluded from what I saw here was a coordinated and organised attempt to keep someone from holding a meetup. 

There were also several MRA sites shut down because of mass complaints launched against them. In fact, I shared the blog by I-Hypocrite that documented what was happening

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2016/08/21/rose-is-off-her-meds-ihypocrite/

What you saw here was the beginning of the actual kickback from Feminists as they desperately try to regain an initiative that they lost in 2013 and never got back. Personally, I think Feminists and SJW’s should be thankful that the election came along when it did. After all, they’ve done a great job of defeating themselves at every turn even losing any ground that they might’ve gained earlier in the year. This election serves as a healthy distraction for everyone allowing them to post up some real idiocy that would normally get crushed. 

*2 http://web.archive.org/web/20160824114011/https://www.buzzfeed.com/natalyalobanova/can-you-pick-the-right-man-to-ban?fb_comment_id=1038058736259462_1041653352566667&comment_id=1039244452807557&reply_comment_id=1041653352566667&utm_term=.jtXlRe26o#.ungLv95KP

But I’m 500 words into this, and I haven’t gotten to my actual point yet! Trump vs. Clinton what kind of effect will this have for us in the future. Whether you like it or not one of these two is going to be President. One sucks corporate dick, and the other one is a corporate dick. Glad I don’t have to pick one of them but then again I’d be voting Libertarian if I had the choice. 

So you have two options here Trump or Clinton? While I’m not psychic or any other kind of person who predicts the future I can make educated and informed guesses. I’ve been surprisingly good at doing this but they are just guesses, and I freely admit that I could be wrong. 

So two real options here Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump how will this play out? Please note here I’m stating what my personal preference is by the order or anything else.

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Hillary Clinton wins.

Currently, Hillary is in the lead but only by a thin margin, and this is one of those elections that may drag out weeks afterwards much like 2000. I’m not convinced that this is a shoo-in for her the Democrats are using the same failed tactics that the Republican opponents to Donald Trump used.

But this about who’s going to win more like what will happen if Hillary does win. That will depend on the margin of victory. If Hillary wins in a landslide, then the Feminist/SJW camp will probably view themselves as being more secure than the facts would indicate they are. They will take the time to gloat laugh and otherwise continue to be dismissive of us going into 2017 even to the point that the winter and spring may be relatively quiet. They’ll view this in much the same way the conservative pro-war crowd views the 2004 election and will eventually go on the attack. And not just the clumsy poorly thought out blunders you’ve seen this year, but full-scale media assaults. Blatant lying thinly veiled suggestions that someone should do harm to us etc. The thing is that they’ll feel secure in their position and will respond in due time. The only problem is that someone or group will take this seriously and act accordingly. This will trigger that now infamous stage 4 event

https://www.popularresistance.org/the-8-stages-of-successful-social-political-movements/

Then it’s game on

A narrow win by Clinton though will induce a kind of panic. Yeah, Hillary won but damn that was close! There will, of course, be celebrating and joy by the Regressives but this is short lived. A slight win will serve as a wake-up call and will induce as much anxiety as it does the celebration. The attacks will start shortly afterwards, possibly while Barrack Obama is still in office *3 The reason for this is simple, given what Hillary Clinton just spoke about the Alt Right tonight there is very little doubt in my mind that she will tacitly endorse this move. Much like there’s been a lot of speculation about Barrack Obama quietly endorsing what has been going on with Black Lives Matter *4 

Things will come to a head much sooner bolstered by probable silent approval from the top the attacks will come hard and fast. The fading social capital that the regressives have will get spent much faster than in the first scenario. Stage 4 trigger event could come in as little a 6 months to a year. There’s also the very real possibility given Hillary Clinton’s already bad record that we could see the first one and done President since 1992.

So no matter what the margin of victory here the culture war starts sooner rather than later

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Donald Trump wins

Let’s be honest here Donald Trump needs to be a little quieter! The culture war is still coming the only difference here is that unlike the margin of victory here. What happens with Donald Trump will depend on how competent he is. I’m going to give both options if you disagree with me, well for this story to work I have to do both. I’m not giving either of these two any endorsement. So we have a choice between a competent Donald Trump and an incompetent Donald Trump

Competent Donald Trump could be the answer to more than a few of the ills that are plaguing the United States right now. And he’ll need all his capability to deal with the constant attacks that he’ll be facing in his first year. Donald Trump is many things some of them good some of them bad. What he isn’t though is the choice of the establishment and I’ll even go far as to say that he may well be a victim of either an impeachment or assassination in his first 12-18 months. Especially if he turns out to be more competent than expected. 

What this means is that the regressives will likely be spending the first year or two going after Trump as opposed to engaging in an all out attack on the seven deadly anti-feminist groups *5. In fact what you’ll see is a kind of reset button hit the sniping will continue and much like how it’s been going for the last couple of years. The real difference is that the regressives will have more time and space to organize themselves. What you’re also going to see as Donald’s term in office continues we’ll start running into larger and more blatant attempts to censor the fight as we go along. You’ll see more of those Trust and Safety Councils spring up as the fight slowly and inexorably starts to heat up again.

https://blog.twitter.com/2016/announcing-the-twitter-trust-safety-council

With some luck, Donald and the people in the Oval Office might be able to keep a lid on things possibly even as long as 2018 or 2019

An incompetent Donald Trump is another story. The establishment will quickly realize that Donald Trump isn’t all he’s cut out to be. That still doesn’t rule out things like either an assassination or impeachment it just makes it less likely and much less urgent. What this will mean for us though is that the regressives will cease their attacks on Donald and swing around and come at us. So in this scenario I see things going critical later than it would with a competent Donald Trump but still later than it would with Hillary Clinton. 

But before we all celebrate the fact that Donald Trump’s election delays these events. For all intents and purposes when it does go off the explosion will be much larger because there will be more energy behind it when it goes, simply because there was more time before the critical point was reached.

Either way, it’s going to blow, at this point, I seriously doubt that regressives have the necessary foresight to realize how self-defeating they’ve been. Much like how certain people have chosen to bury their heads in the sand of global warming. Regressives will keep their heads buried in the sand until it’s too late. But for those people in the Manosphere who believe that going Conservative or Liberal, Republican or Democrat is going to solve this? It won’t this election is about moving the seating arrangements on the Titanic at this point. Saving this society will mean that you as a person will have to take individual action, not wait for big daddy government to come and save you.

Remember folks politics is a loaded issue and what I just wrote here is sheer speculation on my part, not a wish list. So let’s stay away from the dogma if we can.

*1 I have nary a shred of proof to back up the Twitter claim. There were an odd series of coincidences right around the time of the Gregory Alan Elliot verdict. 

*2 Not that the article in question didn’t get crushed in the comments anyway

*3 NO SOONER than today (August 25, 2016) Hillary Clinton herself took shots at the Alt Right movement. While I’m not Alt Right myself I found the timing of this very ominous indeed. Links provided below including a piece from Davis J Aurini

An Introduction to the Alt Right

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/25/politics/alt-right-explained-hillary-clinton-donald-trump/

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/293359-full-speech-hillary-clinton-attacks-alt-right-and

*4 Again I have no facts to back up that point it’s pure speculation on my part and more than a few posts saying that’s what he did. Did he do it? I have no idea but given what I’ve seen from Barrack Obama it’s not out the question.

*5 I got this name from this bullshit article at Oxygen.com the Seven Deadly Anti-Feminist Groups are,  Gamergate, The Alt-Right, New Atheists, Men’s Right Activists, Red Pillers, MGTOW, Pick Up Artists

 

White Knights Brutally Murder Man Arguing With Girlfriend

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I had an event happen right in front of me around the same time that this event was going on. There was this drug fuelled woman running after some guy screaming, yelling and pushing him the whole way. It finally boiled over when she charged at him at a busy intersection, and he reacted and pushed back.

Almost immediately three guys came jumping over a veranda and charged at the man and had I not been there the man in question would’ve gotten his ass kicked. Luckily I was able to intervene and bring the police over and explain what happened. The fact that one of the cops that responded had also handled a couple of my captures of shoplifters in the past helped a lot too.

This could’ve become truly ugly and all too often the over reaction of white knights makes the situation worse instead of better. There’s a reason police officers NEVER go into a domestic situation by themselves

http://sheddingoftheego.com/2016/03/04/white-knight-brutally-murders-man-arguing-with-girlfriend/

But just in case, this blog by Barbarossa isn’t convincing enough consider this video

You’ll note that even though there was one guy in this video who clearly SAW the woman hitting the man for well over 30 seconds that he sat there and watched. But When the guy started standing up for himself he was right there.

Not at all that unusual, I found the second example in only a few seconds. Again note the complete lack of anyone from the outside intervening or calling for help.

All too often nobody interferes at all. But what do you do if you find yourself in a situation like this?

Oddly enough a man’s reaction isn’t all that different from a woman’s you just have to do it for longer because well people are just too fucking thick sometimes.

First of all make noise, make A LOT of noise make sure that people all around can hear you. You may get some crybaby responses but well any individual that ignorant is not deserving of any respect. Second that noise has to be loud and clear that the female is beating up on you, not the other way around. You will start to get some stares, but if it goes on long enough, someone will figure it out. Third keep moving away from the woman and move away in a direction that will prevent you from being cornered.Once cornered you will have fewer options and hitting back will then have to come into play whether you like it or not.

If you can make a beeline for a taxi or public space, bars and nightclubs are likely your best bet. The doormen at these places might have experience with aggressive women in the past. You may even luck out and catch a female that knows all the ins and outs. Avoid hitting back unless you have no option. Which means you feel that you’re in danger of getting injured or killed AKA there is a threat to your person

If she pulls a weapon run if you can, but the moment that they are used all bets are off (With me at least) they’re going down and not getting up again soon; I don’t care what gender they are.

Don’t let popular culture fool you; you do still have the right to defend yourself that no hitting a woman under any circumstance is being abused much like everything else in regards to men in the culture right now.

As for this couple if you go to Barbarossa’s blog you’ll note about how we all know couples like this. The ones that fight and the screw with equal intensity. There are more than a few books that have recommended not getting involved with a woman like this. So if you have enough smarts to over ride your tingly parts don’t. MGTOW is also a viable option as well after all it’s hard to get into a situation like this unfortunate guy if you’re not in a relationship to begin with

SK Series 1/29/16 Learning my lesson!

Life Lessons

Relief!

That’s all I can say about the events. This whole soap opera began two Wednesdays ago when I caught myself doing something I hadn’t done in a few years. I was on my way to a coffee shop specifically to see SK! So I had a crush, and I was actively pursuing.

Not unexpected I’ve read and heard several MGTOW talk about how after they became MGTOW and got completely comfortable and OK with that fact that women just started appearing out of the blue. Even though there were in some cases better looking, more qualified men around. Or even in SK’s case, she was already seeing someone else!

It’s not like women have some built in loyalty to their boyfriends either. I have personal experience with this and being the other guy does suck. That fact all by itself should’ve been enough to end any continued association right there. I didn’t end it right there; I kept going to this coffee shop. After all, I had been going to this place long before she was ever working there and I’ve been going there for before for reasons that had nothing at all to do with her. My refusal to live in a box and go so far as some men have done and reduce my interactions with women to nearly zero wasn’t an option for me. While I respect the fact that it might be OK with you, keep in mind that everyone’s life is different.

I had to process this situation and come to a solution. I also had to let people around me know what was going on and get feedback.

The first question that came up was “Is she interested in you?”

Good question because if this had all just been in my head, then I could’ve just decided not to feed that wolf any longer and resume my normal routine. Simply stop feeding the wolf so to speak.TGcEPQr

There were more than a few opportunities to use my old PUA skills to determine if there was interest. I was hoping that this was all in my head. All I can say is that after a couple of days of testing the IOI’s were legitimate and that this was the real deal.

OK, so now I had to move on to the next question. Which was, do I follow up and actively pursue SK or not? The answer to this was blatantly obvious of course not! But not because of some slavish devotion to the principle of MGTOW. I’m a firm believer in the concept and choice for a man to become MGTOW and for that same man to leave MGTOW if he chooses to. I’m also keenly aware of the risks involved in a choice to leave MGTOW. A man choosing not to be MGTOW any longer isn’t any less of a person. But of such a man just blindly goes running back in without taking the lessons he’s learned from his time as MGTOW then that man is truly a fool.

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In my case, it was an easy choice to make. I’m spread out pretty thin right now, adding a relationship with a woman that’s already seeing another guy right now isn’t a good idea. That got brought home to me in a big way yesterday when I went back to this coffee shop. Ironically enough I went there in the morning because I knew that SK doesn’t work the day shift, and she wasn’t going to be there. Except this time she was there! I’ve done blogs, personal work and all other sorts of various activities with her in the shop in the past. This time, though I couldn’t focus on what I needed to do.

Luckily for me, there’s a regular AA meeting house two blocks from this coffee shop. So I just said, “Fuck this shit, I’m going to a meeting to deal with this.” Got to the meeting, shared got it off my chest felt a whole lot lighter. And took the lesson of the need to be more inclusive in my life with me, then went to have lunch.

It was while I was eating my lunch that I had the epiphany! Walking away was a solution to the problem of SK, but it wasn’t going to be a permanent solution! It was just more of me kicking the can down the road, which was why I needed to do such an extensive inventory in the first place. So not going back to that coffee shop is a temporary solution to a permanent problem. And I had to also call myself out the fact that I went to that particular coffee shop. There are Seven other places like this one within two blocks of this location. I could’ve gone to them got done what I wanted to get done and then moved on with the rest of my day. In short, I had to own up to my personal actions, and I also had to admit that unless I applied a more permanent solution to this problem, I would repeat it over and over again. I then found it somewhat Ironic that an Athiest would ram his middle finger straight up in the air and scream out “Fuck You!”

It felt a little better after I did that.This is the whole Karmic lessons issue dropped on my lap. I need to learn the lesson that I have an obligation to myself. I’m at a critical point in my life, and SK will not provide any solution to this issue at this time. My feelings about SK were making my life unmanageable

SK will not provide any solution to this issue at this time. I was pretty upset about this because I’m sick and tired of playing this song and dance now. I didn’t enjoy it in my twenties or thirties, and I hate it even more now. I had to do something different this time! But I wasn’t sure what that different thing was going to be.  Not going into the coffee shop wasn’t the permanent solution going in there was also out of the question as well. It was likely only a matter of time before I did something stupid and desperate. Leaving for a while and then coming back would also not be a solution because the feelings would still be there. And this whole issue was taking up space in my head and distracting me from some much more pressing issues in my life.

So I went to another meeting, the topic of that 12 step meeting was step one.

I applied the principles I learned there to the problem while I was still at the meeting.

Step 1- I’m powerless over this issue, and it’s making my life unmanageable.

Step 2- Am I willing to let a higher power restore me to sanity over SK? The big question when it comes to an atheist. What I did here was pop the question “What do I do to restore sanity to this?”

Step 3- Was I willing to let the universe provide me with an answer if I was open to it.

Step 4- Quick inventory what caused the problem, what was my problem in it? What had I done wrong AND what had I done right.

Step 5- Admitted that this was an issue to myself, to the universe and another human being. Which I did during the meeting when I shared on this topic again.

And the solution was to leave the coffee shop for a period until things settle down and stabilize in my life. But not just that I had to clear the air with SK before I made it official. So I headed down there again, hoping that she wasn’t going to be there, but she was.

I pulled her aside first chance I got and said this to her

“I have to leave this place for a while? I like you a lot, but I have to work on myself right now.”

I then turned around and walked out of the coffee shop!

Now was this all in my head? No, it wasn’t

Did I hurt her feelings? Don’t know but I’ll find out

What’s going to be her reaction? I don’t know that either

Does it even matter? No, I lose one coffee shop for a few weeks while I sort things out.

There won’t be any more nonchalant pretending anymore when we see each other again, and we will see each other again. I pass that shop three or four times a day sometimes a bus stop is right in front of the coffee shop too.

What it comes down to though is this. I can’t make the wheels of government move any faster. I can do some things to make my film career move faster, but there’s a factor of luck that plays into it. There was something I could do about this issue, and I did it. It’s only been eleven hours since it happened, so I don’t know what the consequences are, but I’ll live with them.

I didn’t repeat the same mistake over again. I didn’t lie or cheat like Sisko had to in this video, but I can live with this with a clear conscience

 

The SK Series 1/25/16

Insanity

I just finished watching a series of videos by a MGTOW named Spetsnaz in the particular video called Psychology of a Fighter

Spetsnaz is my personal favorite among the MGTOW’s on YouTube. What Spetsnaz goes into here is that a trained fighter in fighting arts be it boxing or his martial art style Systema. You have to learn how to take punches and hits and remain calm and poised in the face of getting hit frequently and hard.

How this translates into what I’m currently going through with SK is this. The feelings and thoughts I’m experiencing at this time haven’t been experienced by me in a long time. The experience of dealing with and processing those thoughts and feelings now as opposed to say a decade ago are very revealing indeed. For instance, if my mind is allowed to wander or dwell too long on SK I start harboring very traditional thoughts on relationships and what they mean. I also find myself hoping that maybe, this time, this one will somehow see me for the person that I am and leave the guy she’s currently fucking. Unlike ten or fifteen years ago I’m nowhere near as deluded about the reality anymore.

Tonight again I had to go take a long walk in the winter air to clear my head, and not about SK either. This time, it was because I realized that with rare exceptions every single woman I’ve ever been involved with was seeing someone else at the time. And that one exception she ended up hooking up and having kids with a guy who ended up becoming one of my best friends for a while. And if I ran into him today we would still be friends too.

That pattern simply isn’t a coincidence and while I haven’t had the time yet to process an answer as to why this happens or what my thought process is on this. Mostly because I just took it all for granted until now. More on this as it progresses.

But getting back to the original point of the video here I’m getting all of these insights into my character and thus processing feelings and asking questions about myself that I haven’t posed in over a decade. Big difference between now and then is that I’m Red Pill/MGTOW/MRA now, plus I’ve also been blessed with a run as a PUA as well. Thus, I’m taking hits that I haven’t taken for a while but now with training so instead of simply giving into panic and doing something stupid. This time, I’m processing the feelings and reactions and then I’m acting in a manner that best suits my interest. Not just going down the same path and hoping that it’ll be different this time. Doing the same thing over and over again is the definition of insanity by the way.

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I can now safely say that I was indeed insane about the relationship area of my life because I did indeed for most of my life do the same thing, over and over again expecting different results. It wasn’t until the very late 90’s that I became Purple Pill and only very recently became full on Red Pill. So I was Magenta for an extended period

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I have said that my taking of the Red Pill was a timed release capsule, so this isn’t all that surprising.

So what do I do with this new piece of information? Well, luckily Spetsnaz also made this video which I also happened to look at tonight.

It would be insane for me to assume that SK is going to be different. She may at heart be a decent person although the fact that if I played my game right, I could get in with her suggests that she’s not as moral a person as she presents to the public. I’m not going to harbor any fantasies about SK being the one. Experience shows that is very unlikely and taking a bet and going all in is absolutely out of the question. I do still have needs, though, and I have to address those needs. Yeah, I’m a MGTOW but I’m not a strict male isolationist and even if I did go that way. The people I associate with would still be associating with women. So either way, I’m still subject to some form of judgment by women. I don’t have to be controlled by that opinion or approval.

This was a lesson I learned from my early days in the 12 step program when I was living in Banff and had to live with active addicts. The people I lived with were pretty decent people when they weren’t using. Only the problem was that there were a couple friends of theirs that were just guy that was just plain bad. And because I was working and living with active addicts who associated with this guy I had to accept this person, whether I liked it or not. In hindsight, I should’ve just reported my co-workers to my boss, and the problem of dealing with him would’ve been over. It also would’ve meant my friends would’ve been fired as well, but you live and learn.

Learning skills in dealing with women, even if it’s only on a professional level is essential in my opinion. You might remember ICMI in 2014 if you recall Jeff Sharlet the asshole who wrote that hit piece for GQ?

http://www.gq.com/story/mens-rights-activism-the-red-pill

Well, he had an associate with him and woman named Blair. That woman had an association with someone at that convention. Luckily for Sage Gerard, he didn’t initiate too much contact with Blair. I suspect that someone with less skill might’ve been taken in enough for Jeff Sharlet to try and claim some assault happened.

So even MGTOW require some skill in dealing with women. Do not think for one second that Feminists and their allies won’t try to use this lack of skill against you.

And that’s what these hits have been bringing out in me. A way to process feelings and emotions that otherwise might’ve surfaced at a time when they could’ve got me in trouble. If nothing else happens between SK and me the, lessons learned in the last few days have been invaluable.

 

 

Self-Sufficiency

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“Why ask for your daily bread when you own the bakery?” 
― Randy Alcorn

After writing my piece on self-improvement it occurred to me that the next legitimate step from there is that of self-sufficiency/self-reliance. Self-sufficiency is defined as the ability to supply one’s own or its own needs without external assistance. In living in a consumerist world, this idea can seem foreign to many individuals, especially young people living in first world countries. However, the benefits of becoming self-reliant far outweigh the drawbacks; one becomes much more valuable, confident and productive in the eyes of oneself and others.

When reliance is placed on external individuals such as parents, a significant other, government and friends, there is never the act of truly making a personally decision. By relying on other people for advancement, you sit at the feet of those who produce or possess the things you require. This poses…

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One guy guessing out loud (A review)

On March 20 I put this out.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/just-one-guy-guessing-out-loud-here/

It was a completely speculative piece where I made some educated guesses as to what would happen in 2015. Now I put myself under the lens and see how well I did. I made 21 guesses, some of them were pretty good some of them were wrong. Others were sorta right or took a turn that I didn’t anticipate. But let’s take a look at them and how well I performed

1.Metalgate will go nowhere! 

Planted this one! This really isn’t a surprise SJW’s had been doing well mostly because people couldn’t see them coming. By the time they got to Metalheads that discretionary cover had been blown away. Metalheads were manning the watchtowers and what few moves were made failed miserably. Given what happened with the three conventions last spring (Calgary Expo, RavenCon and DenverCon), their legitimacy and power are simply not there anymore.

2.Anita Sarkeesian steps out of the tower and…

 

2a. The next move by anti-GamerGate will also fail

The Nightline piece was the beginning of the end for her and Jonathan MacIntosh! They were unable to control the dialogue even with people actively trying to censor opposing opinions; mine included

Despite this though the Nightline story simply got crushed under the weight of numbers.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/02/20/anita-sarkessian-makes-her-big-mistake/

Not only was her first major mistake it was the only time she would go public until her appearance at the UN. Which by the time it happened was the equivalent of a hail mary pass that didn’t get caught.

Going to give me a thumbs up on this one, having both of these guesses tie together so nicely like they did was a stroke of luck on my part.

3.An Increase in the number, but not the quality, of hit pieces directed at the MRM

After the absolute fiasco that started off the year. Feminists and SJW’s laid low for the spring and first part of the summer. But when they came back they came back and screwed up HUGE. Not only did they screw up huge but they came dangerously close to turning RooshV into a martyr.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/08/22/the-little-things-that-make-the-difference/

There was a steady and slow meltdown from that point. VICE, Buzzfeed and Huffington Post lead the way as out and out hit pieces on MGTOW were published. Huffington Post and a few other places did everything in their power to try and prove a Facebook group called No Hymen no Diamond was an MRA site. All the way to the point where on December 21 VICE and GQ Britain dropped all pretense of fairness and just published blatant hate pieces.

I think I can say I guessed right about this one

4. The rise of the Anti-MRA Feminist

I didn’t see this as much as I thought I would but it was there. There are signs that Feminists are starting to organize. The articles by GQ Britain and VICE, for instance, may have been coincidental. If they are then, I’d say that was one hell of a coincidence.

5. The parallel rise of the bargaining feminist.

Earlier in the year, Natasha Devon and The Femthiest! of all people came out with moderate articles. Natasha Devon would lose her credibility with an article later in the year, and The Femtheist appears to have gone very quiet on the whole issue.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/a-response-to-natasha-devon/

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/03/03/two-new-things-femitheist-divine-and-gq-magazine/

However, late in 2015 Skeptic Feminist would appear. I will admit from what I’ve seen so far they appear to have more critical thinking skills in five minutes than Steve Shives uses in five months. They appear to be the start of the bargainers, feminists that would rather discuss solutions than fight.

The jury is still out on this bunch with me.  They are doing better than He for She did though

Going to say that I guessed right on this one

6. Feminism starts calling on allies

Didn’t see as much of this as I thought I might! Mostly because the backlash after the August debacles was much stronger, more intense and sooner than expected.

Missed on this one not as much as I thought but it’s still a miss

7. The official arrival of MGTOW as an independent movement.

DING! I can pretty much say I nailed this one on the head. At one point this year several MGTOW even went as far as dogpiling Paul Elam. Sandman at one point also either had one of his comments taken out of context or said something on purpose. MGTOW showed that it was just as capable of breaking down into various factions. On the other hand, it also became a stand alone and not tied in with MRA. The axiom I think that fits are not all MGTOW are MRA, and not all MRA are MGTOW. Try telling that to the idiots at VICE, though. My online fight there with one individual was so prolonged that I had other people openly calling on me to walk away. Which I was considering. Luckily for me the guy I was dealing with quit before I did.

Bottom line here that VICE article and the fact that Wikipedia recognized MGTOW as separate from the MRM are clear signs that it’s arrived. MGTOW also got to put the exclamation point, on the whole, gender issue this year.

8. The Politicizing of the larger men’s movement.

Not as much as I thought. There were the usual suspects that were calling for conservative men’s movement. And there was some pointless grandstanding on the gay marriage issue. But overall this didn’t happen as much as I thought it might. Which is good because if there’s an issue that could grind the greater men’s movement to a crawl at this point, it would be to get caught up in the whole Liberal/Conservative spin wheel.

9. A growing change in trends

Haven’t seen the stats although articles I’ve read (But cannot find at this moment) suggest that on issues like child custody, alimony, domestic abuse, etc. Things are starting to balance out. One very specific example that happened this year was when Halle Berry for the Nth time tried to play the abuse card on her husband and instead of just taking it they hit back

http://moviepilot.com/posts/3627415

Not surprisingly Halle went very quiet after this happened

10. More false allegations will be exposed

This is a miss! Yes, there was Emma Sulkowicz and her mattress girl drama. But beyond that, there wasn’t a smoking gun false allegation this year. However, this ties into the next issue.

10a. Title IX Lawsuits the cows come home

Paul Nungaser did launch a lawsuit against Columbia for good reason. There was no back-breaking event on campus when it came to men’s issues. There was such an event with Black Lives Matter movement at several universities. How much of a spillover effect it has on the gender issue remains to be seen.

11. Increasing numbers of public people coming out as not feminist

Meryl Streep was front and center in this. Ironically she was also the star of the movie Suffragette. I wouldn’t call this guess an out and out slam out of the ballpark. More like a single or double.

12. Some public person will get attacked by Feminists and still stand

Five days ago I would’ve started yelling “Bill fucking Cosby!” but he got arrested and charged before the year was over. James Deen also got accusations thrown his way. This, of course, resulted in several other women in the industry dog-piling him. Which if you’re familiar with how accusations like this work isn’t at all surprising.

Now, I’m going to reserve judgement on both of these men. But I will point out though that in regards to James Deen and his accuser. To my knowledge, you don’t usually allow your rapist to go and do a scene on your website FIVE WEEKS after the alleged event took place.

While there wasn’t a person that survived the assault Protein World took a massive barrage as well and it did survive the assault despite the bomb threat sent to it

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/04/29/bomb-threat-over-bikini-billboard-ad.html

Protein world didn’t cave though instead they put up a massive sign in New York. Now if that’s not a massive fuck you to feminists I don’t know what would be. A person didn’t survive but a company did.

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13. For the first time, a Feminist Figure will get into serious trouble

Didn’t happen so I missed on this one. That’s not to say that Feminists didn’t engage in rampant levels of stupidity this year.

https://wordpress.com/read/post/feed/26600997/894495866

This list doesn’t include the battle of Montreal, Expogate or Jessica Valenti’s failed attempt at keeping a video of her bombing out at a debate from going public.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/04/27/meltdown/

http://www.returnofkings.com/69013/how-roosh-v-won-the-battle-of-montreal

No one feminist went down in flames Feminism itself did a great job of shooting itself in the foot this year. One thing I haven’t seen this year and it does stand out for me. We don’t have anyone trying to say that 2015 was a great year for feminism

14. Houston, we have a problem!

Yep, we have a problem alright! ICMI didn’t happen this year. In 2014 ICMI was the biggest single win for the men’s movement. ICMI in 2014 endured everything that Roosh V had to deal with in Montreal in 2015 plus more and still went ahead. They’re not having an event in 2015 was understandable. Cancelling the event in Houston though, means that the event this year in London must be held.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/international-conference-on-mens-issues-london-8-10-july-2016/

 

15. An organized Anti MRM men’s movement

We can start with that other men’s convention in New Jersey earlier this year. That was a start as 2015 progressed I began to see more feminists and white knights coming on to men’s sites and flaming. I also saw what looked like a group of feminists putting together a site on Facebook then trying to pass it off as an MRA site. There was also the very coincidental timing of two blatant hate pieces put out by Vice and GQ on December 21. The timing of these two pieces might be coincidental, but if it is?  It’s one hell of a coincidence.

Another factor that both these idiots did though they played their hand a little too early. We have the entire holidays to spread the warning around about this.

16. Fewer but more dangerous White Knights

I had one engagement with a White Knight on one comment section where I had to tell the guy NINETY THREE TIMES! That Elliot Rodger wasn’t in any way connected to men’s rights or MGTOW. There was another guy on the recent GQ article that simply kept lying and posting up cherry picked studies and was told me SEVEN times that getting the last word in doesn’t mean you win by default! Did he listen? Nope, what he did do though was change his name so his failures and contradictions were harder to find. So the more dangerous is clearly true at least in my experience.

As for there being fewer of them? Had the year ended in September I would’ve absolutely said yes! After August though and the reality of the situation began to sink in with Feminists. White Knights the started crawling out of the woodwork again.

So now we have more White Knights and more dangerous ones as well.

Tentatively this guess was right, I didn’t anticipate that the backlash would come as fast as it did. I certainly didn’t see the cheap shots coming just before Christmas.

17. Active talk about Female conscription

Yes, there was plenty of talk about this.

18. A spreading out and division inside Feminist Ranks

Up until 2013 Feminists had to deal with a couple of annoying little gadflies in the form of the MRM and Sad Puppies.

Now though, you can add Gamergate, MGTOW and Rabid Puppies to the mix. If you also factor in plummeting support and a growing awareness of Feminism and Social Justice are in their current forms. You have a recipe for someone doing something desperately stupid

19. Feminism in trouble

Not as much as you might think. One thing that is gone from the Feminist movement is the arrogant swagger that they were showing at the end of 2014. The meltdown started in the spring, cooled off and then once August came around heated up big time. I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that after August the tactics of Feminists and SJW’s became more aggressive, blatant and desperate.

So I sort of got this one right. But not as much as I thought.

Not bad got a dozen or so right and few others were partially right. I also got three or four wrong plus another half dozen where I was sort of wrong and sort of right.

The Greater Men’s Movement isn’t above having issues of its own to deal with as well. AVfM, for instance, has seen support for its site plummet since September to the point where it gets fewer hits than We Hunted the Mammoth.

Great year for the Men all around. That being said though other than Roosh V and his win at Montreal there were very few out and out wins. Long term relying on Feminists and SJW’s to self-destruct isn’t going to work.

 

Keyboard Warrior addendum…The Fanatic

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I’m sitting here tonight getting ready to share the next part of my series and I’m also wondering…what else?

Online activism has been my specialty for the last few months. I win upwards of 95 plus percent of my engagements. In fact in the last year I can count the number of times that I’ve lost on one hand. This has been all well and good but if you go back to some of the earlier blog posts, I made you’ll see that I made the prediction of the hardening position that the opposition to moving men’s issues forward would face as this went on.

https://theredpillnation.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/just-one-guy-guessing-out-loud-here/

If you go back through that blog, you’ll notice that I made a couple of predictions that have already happened. Namely the rise of the Anti-MRM feminist and the decrease of white knights but the escalation in tactics of the ones that remained behind.

Just two-plus years ago it wasn’t unusual at all for me to have to face down 5 or 6 people at the same time. This last year I’ve never had more than two. The thing is though is that that one person will post up more mindless babble and bullshit than those other six would together a few years ago. In that last couple of months, I’ve encountered more of this new white knight than I did in the previous few years before that.

What you have to understand about this type of person is that unlike someone who has just a passing interest in supporting these toxic feminists. This new type of White Knight is what are called fanatics! These men and women are not new, and they’ve existed throughout history in varies guises. Here’s what’s happening the main sources for producing the White Knights is slowly but surely starting to evaporate as the actions of Feminists start to become more public. These BOYS honestly believe that what they’re doing is for the greater good. Being a former White Knight myself, I saw myself a decent person doing something for a group of people that was being oppressed and abused. I knew they were because my mommy and sisters were telling me that this was going on; nobody told me any differently. What was different for me was that that in my family were such large hypocrites that I was able to figure it out. I was also given the time and space to figure it out on my own. What I saw once I had some uncomfortable facts pointed out to me. Loreena Bobbit was getting away with cutting her husband’s penis off and women openly celebrating this fact. Started a line of dominos that led me to where I am now.

Almost all of these white knights have men around them that have been screwed over by women. If they haven’t then, they’ve likely also seen at least once or twice that there are women that truly hate them just because they’re men. My take on this was that these women weren’t the majority and that they would never be driving the bus. The same guy who told me showed me the feminists celebrating what had happened with Loreena Bobbit told me this when I mentioned that same story that these women were not in the majority. Told me to look another time, and that this time, don’t look at the women that were openly misandric look at the ones that associated with them but stayed quiet.  Once I expanded that group, I tested a few of these women. What I encountered was shocking! This group was as bad if not even worse than the open man haters. All of them also had reasons personal or professional for remaining quiet. Once I factored in this group, the percentage of man haters in Feminism went up a lot! I could venture a guess to say it’s somewhere between 30-40% of all feminists. Maybe even the majority in some places. The other part of it from what I saw also had issues with men above and beyond just women’s rights. Suffice to say I ended my association with Feminists at that point. It was also this along with reading ‘Manufacturing Consent’started a cascade that almost took me back to using

Manufacturing Consent

This process is likely very similar to what’s happening with White Knights everywhere. It’s hard to justify defending people that have no intention of respecting you for your efforts. Or worse would throw you under the bus the moment you make a mistake or no longer useful. Just ask Joss Whedon

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Also, you have to keep in mind that these guys also get lives. They get jobs, get married or develop a career. They just don’t have time for activism like they used to. Or they just get wiser to what life is actually like, so they drop out. Seeing your best friend getting shafted in divorce or falsely accused will do that.

There is this other faction though the ones that are true believers. They are beyond reason, beyond logic or worse they know but are too proud or have invested too much emotionally into this to back out. And don’t laugh if you come from a family where the mother is narcissistic showing weakness could get you in big trouble. There’s also the whipped manginas doing this for some vague sexual payoff. These are guys that are being willfully ignorant. You’ve encountered some of these before. They’re the ones still supporting the KKK or Neo-Nazis or take the masterminds behind the Paris shootings.

So what you’re seeing here is a slowly shrinking pool of men advocating like White Knights. The ones that remain behind are fanatics.

Along with this you’re starting to see more women coming on to men’s rights sites with the sole intention of trolling. The best example of this type of troll is Big Red

 

Now this event happened in 2012 and up until about six weeks ago. You rarely saw a White Knight go onto an MRA/MGTOW or Red Pill on Facebook (Don’t know about Tumblr though) and start trolling. In the past month though I’ve encountered more trolls at these sites than I did in the two years before that.

So what’s going on here is this. Feminists and White Knights KNOW that they’re losing. They can’t stay in their echo chambers because those places are no longer getting bigger. They HAVE TO leave the chambers to win and when they do they get creamed because their narrative simply doesn’t hold up under scrutiny.

You’re going to see a lot more of this happen in the next few months. You’re also going to see more organized efforts like attempting to create a page around an issue and then attempt to play it off as an MRA site. Like what happened with No Hymen Diamond on Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/No-Hymen-No-Diamond-1579270142332185/?fref=ts

A page they decided to play off to Huffington Post as an MRA page. Almost all the other places you couldn’t comment on the article

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/no-hymen-no-diamond-group-searches-for-beautiful-virgin-brides-wtf_560558e1e4b0dd85030730a9

Just giving to all a heads up expect more articles like this in the future.

What to do about this?

So far all of the feminists that have shown up at MRA sites have been trolls. This doesn’t mean that they all fall into that category. First make an attempt to determine if they’re actually a troll. Usually they will be but ask do try avoiding shooting first. I’ve been in the habit of shooting first so far and I realize that staying on a permanent combat footing isn’t always helpful. Ask a couple of questions before you decide to treat her/him like a troll. Once determined you can do one of two things. You can then either have a dialogue (Rarely) or you can go into Warrior mode. The dialogue needs to emphasize the misandry and harassment that Feminists have done in regards to men. Avoid lecturing and pointing fingers at the same time though s/he has by their inactivity in regards to the other feminists in her ranks is partially her fault. Her unwillingness to deal with that faction within feminism is at least partially her problem.

Now for the other idiots NO MERCY

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They were stupid enough to go on to a Men’s site. they’ll get treated the same way Men’s Activists get treated on Feminist sites.

There will come a day when we can start hitting Feminist websites. That time isn’t now.